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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8041991" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>On the contrary. The idea that the <em>only</em> way of getting surprise involves comparing passive Perceptions to Stealth check scores is a house rule and found nowhere in the rules.</p><p></p><p>If they had meant that the only way rather than the most common way was the stealth check vs perception <em>they would have said that</em>. They didn't because they didn't intend that. To claim otherwise is to ignore both the rules as written and the rules as intended and substitute them for your house rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wow, you want to ignore the rules as written and the intent of the rules. D&D is not and has never been a game where the rules cover all situations - and 5e is fairly explicit about that. What is the mechanism for establishing things where the standard rules don't apply? <em>"The DM determines who might be surprised"</em></p><p></p><p>And no, the rules aren't going to provide you hard guidelines - D&D 5e is not that game. D&D 3.0 and 3.5 tried to be, and 4e in different ways also tried. But 5e doesn't even try (they called this "giving power back to the DM").</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8041991, member: 87792"] On the contrary. The idea that the [I]only[/I] way of getting surprise involves comparing passive Perceptions to Stealth check scores is a house rule and found nowhere in the rules. If they had meant that the only way rather than the most common way was the stealth check vs perception [I]they would have said that[/I]. They didn't because they didn't intend that. To claim otherwise is to ignore both the rules as written and the rules as intended and substitute them for your house rules. Wow, you want to ignore the rules as written and the intent of the rules. D&D is not and has never been a game where the rules cover all situations - and 5e is fairly explicit about that. What is the mechanism for establishing things where the standard rules don't apply? [I]"The DM determines who might be surprised"[/I] And no, the rules aren't going to provide you hard guidelines - D&D 5e is not that game. D&D 3.0 and 3.5 tried to be, and 4e in different ways also tried. But 5e doesn't even try (they called this "giving power back to the DM"). [/QUOTE]
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