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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9777904" data-attributes="member: 29398">Players who think a 1st-level party can handle two Ogres are also part of the problem, even more so after the first PC or two goes down and the Ogres have barely a scratch on 'em."Cut your losses and run" used to be a standard piece in every player's toolbox.  "Survival is job one" was another.Two PCs out of five go splat, the other three run away, the party - and thus the game - continues, the two players roll up new PCs, and the DM learns a little.  All is good.  Carry on.Did you mean "overestimating" here?I've never seen a problem with giving out too much magic too early - with one exception: too much defensive magic can make the PCs either think they're invulnerable or in fact be invulnerable, neither of which is any fun for different reasons.</blockquote>