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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9778691" data-attributes="member: 29398">There's a thread going on right now in D&amp;D - Older Editions around how to determine monster xp values in 1e and it touches on many of the same points you raise here, which in sum amount to &quot;what, on paper, makes a monster more or less challenging&quot;.And that's all this discussion can ever be and aslso all a CR or El-type system can hope for: to give an &quot;on paper&quot; or theoretical degree of challenge that may or may not be of any use to a DM trying to plan a specific encounter.Flight, on paper, makes a monster more of a challenge; but in practice may be irrelevant if the monster is encountered indoors or in some other situation where flight is impossible.Telepathy, on paper, doesn't make an individual monster any more challenging but can in practice make a huge difference if-when a party meets more than one of them and they can silently (and instantly!) co-ordinate their tactics.&nbsp; That said, psionic abilities in general always seem to be overlooked in any edition when considering challenge provided or xp given.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 9778691, member: 29398"] There's a thread going on right now in D&D - Older Editions around how to determine monster xp values in 1e and it touches on many of the same points you raise here, which in sum amount to "what, on paper, makes a monster more or less challenging". And that's all this discussion can ever be and aslso all a CR or El-type system can hope for: to give an "on paper" or theoretical degree of challenge that may or may not be of any use to a DM trying to plan a specific encounter. Flight, on paper, makes a monster more of a challenge; but in practice may be irrelevant if the monster is encountered indoors or in some other situation where flight is impossible. Telepathy, on paper, doesn't make an individual monster any more challenging but can in practice make a huge difference if-when a party meets more than one of them and they can silently (and instantly!) co-ordinate their tactics. That said, psionic abilities in general always seem to be overlooked in any edition when considering challenge provided or xp given. [/QUOTE]

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