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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6309465" data-attributes="member: 2067">Something to note is that each race supposedly has at least two subraces.So for tieflings, one way they could go is to split the difference: one subrace, the Turathi, is the descendent of mortals who bartered for power from Asmodeus. All arrogant and handlebar'd. One subrace, lets call it the Sigilian, is a critter with "bad blood" who is regarded as inferior and tainted and as such is marginalized and presumed guilty of sin from birth. They're skulky and like dark places. Maybe you can roll to give them a trait from a random evil outsider. They've got goat legs and tiny horns and thin tails and itty bitty bat wings (or not or one or none or something else). For me, all that's important is that I have some support for those "planar castoffs." When I ran Planescape 4e, I couldn't just let the default 4e tieflings be the PS tieflings, since their stories are so very divergent in tone and character, so I lumped all the different tieflings (and aasimar and genasi and whatever) into a "Planetouched" race patterned after the 4e genasi. Dragonborn are a slightly different story. They had lore in 3e, but I don't know that anyone particularly liked that lore. They were one of the many abortive "metamorphosed human" stories that several late 3e races had (that the 4e tieflings eventually had as well). It was fine, I guess, but there wasn't a lot of attachment to it.So when 4e introduced Proud Warrior Race Guys as the core narrative, it was fine. Dandy, even. People didn't like DBs for a few reasons, but the new story wasn't a big one. 5e could split the difference there, but I don't think the team is under quite as much pressure to deliver a Dragonborn that feels like a 3e Dragonborn, 'cuz few folks gave a fig about 3e dragonborn. There's some potential flexibility and discovery to be had at whatever they do with the DB aside from the 4e style. On the one hand, why NOT the 3e version, on the other hand...fresh territory!</blockquote>

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