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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 6309577" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>The difference between the 2e and 3e tieflings and the 4e "tieflings" is so radically divergent that I'll be honest, I don't really see the 4e as being the same race except in name. While I'm not completely averse to the 4e creatures sticking around as a possible subtype, IMO it would be a genuine loss for D&D to see the wild variety that was an inherent hallmark for tieflings from their 2e Planescape roots through 3.x end up being stripped away and the race be beholden to something so completely different that shares neither the conceptual niche nor the same rich lore that the 2e/3e tieflings possess.</p><p></p><p>If they end up stripping tieflings of their name, calling them planetouched (which as a term includes more races than just tieflings in the 2e/3e usage), and hijacking the name in favor of the 4e creatures, it would strike me as disrespectful to the original material that has a longer history within D&D.</p><p></p><p>As for dragonborn, I don't think many people really remember the 3.x version, and the 4e version seems both popular and has more material out than the fairly obscure 3.x race even if they don't have much in common besides the name. I actually rather like the 4e version, so color me in favor of keeping them around.</p><p></p><p>One thing that really needs to go away however is the design ethos of removing something from the game, then turning around and making a new monster and giving it the name of the one that got removed. It makes a hash of in-setting continuity, it's needlessly confusing to players, and it's lazy design.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 6309577, member: 11697"] The difference between the 2e and 3e tieflings and the 4e "tieflings" is so radically divergent that I'll be honest, I don't really see the 4e as being the same race except in name. While I'm not completely averse to the 4e creatures sticking around as a possible subtype, IMO it would be a genuine loss for D&D to see the wild variety that was an inherent hallmark for tieflings from their 2e Planescape roots through 3.x end up being stripped away and the race be beholden to something so completely different that shares neither the conceptual niche nor the same rich lore that the 2e/3e tieflings possess. If they end up stripping tieflings of their name, calling them planetouched (which as a term includes more races than just tieflings in the 2e/3e usage), and hijacking the name in favor of the 4e creatures, it would strike me as disrespectful to the original material that has a longer history within D&D. As for dragonborn, I don't think many people really remember the 3.x version, and the 4e version seems both popular and has more material out than the fairly obscure 3.x race even if they don't have much in common besides the name. I actually rather like the 4e version, so color me in favor of keeping them around. One thing that really needs to go away however is the design ethos of removing something from the game, then turning around and making a new monster and giving it the name of the one that got removed. It makes a hash of in-setting continuity, it's needlessly confusing to players, and it's lazy design. [/QUOTE]
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