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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6309584" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>< gets out axe, grindstone ></p><p></p><p>They already did that hijack in 3.XE, though, so it's way too late for "disrespectful". Tieflings in 2E are a kind of planetouched, with not particularly more likely to be evil than others (it's just that people thought they were), who are charismatic and intelligent (but weak and unwise). Awesome. In 3.XE, for reasons known only to designers who, imo, need a spanking, they got a charisma PENALTY (what the effin eff!?), and became a +1 LA race for no godly or ungodly reason, and they were also said to be usually evil with rare exceptions. The 3.XE version is a cruel, dim-witted mockery of the 2E version, imo.</p><p></p><p>The 4E version is totally different to either - but it has a CHA bonus at least (thank... god? someone like that <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ), and has solid lore, a raison d'etre, and so on.</p><p></p><p>So, no, you can't really pull the "disrepectful" line out about 4E Tieflings. 3.XE already scribbled over everything cool and right about Tieflings (just go read the 2E description about how charming and self-confident Tieflings are - then compare that to 3.XE's -2 CHA and "usually evil"!), and kept only the powers (kinda) and sorta the physical appearance.</p><p></p><p>So as a Tiefling-lover (real Tieflings!), I'd be fine with 4E Tieflings walking off with the name, so long as I got to play a 2E-style Planetouched Tiefling, rather than a 3.XE-style "Charming devil? Silver-tongued devil? These phrases have no meaning to me!"-type Tiefling...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>... that already happened in 3.XE...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6309584, member: 18"] < gets out axe, grindstone > They already did that hijack in 3.XE, though, so it's way too late for "disrespectful". Tieflings in 2E are a kind of planetouched, with not particularly more likely to be evil than others (it's just that people thought they were), who are charismatic and intelligent (but weak and unwise). Awesome. In 3.XE, for reasons known only to designers who, imo, need a spanking, they got a charisma PENALTY (what the effin eff!?), and became a +1 LA race for no godly or ungodly reason, and they were also said to be usually evil with rare exceptions. The 3.XE version is a cruel, dim-witted mockery of the 2E version, imo. The 4E version is totally different to either - but it has a CHA bonus at least (thank... god? someone like that :) ), and has solid lore, a raison d'etre, and so on. So, no, you can't really pull the "disrepectful" line out about 4E Tieflings. 3.XE already scribbled over everything cool and right about Tieflings (just go read the 2E description about how charming and self-confident Tieflings are - then compare that to 3.XE's -2 CHA and "usually evil"!), and kept only the powers (kinda) and sorta the physical appearance. So as a Tiefling-lover (real Tieflings!), I'd be fine with 4E Tieflings walking off with the name, so long as I got to play a 2E-style Planetouched Tiefling, rather than a 3.XE-style "Charming devil? Silver-tongued devil? These phrases have no meaning to me!"-type Tiefling... ... that already happened in 3.XE... [/QUOTE]
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