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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6309614" data-attributes="member: 18">Which was really awful, because lots of demons and devils had a very high CHA, and it is a common feature of virtually all the myth and folklore of the entire world that devils and demons who are humanoid are charming/tempting, not just creepy as hell (or their charm outweighs their creepiness). Creepy is for serial killers and ghosts.On top of that, it stamped directly on all the 2E lore, which went on and on about how charming and self-confident Tieflings were! It was a 180 reversal on them, as was the insistence that Tieflings really were &quot;usually evil&quot; (which I believe the original MM entry expanded on more than the SRD entry does), rather than that they might slightly tend that way, but mostly that was prejudice against them.Further, you're not just interacting with &quot;normal people&quot;, so a &quot;normal people&quot; deal should be a penalty specific to &quot;normal people&quot; (like a -1 or -2 on social rolls with them), NOT a CHA penalty, which affects interactions with all beings (including other scary people/monsters), damages your ability to be a Sorcerer/Bard, and so on.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6309614, member: 18"] Which was really awful, because lots of demons and devils had a very high CHA, and it is a common feature of virtually all the myth and folklore of the entire world that devils and demons who are humanoid are charming/tempting, not just creepy as hell (or their charm outweighs their creepiness). Creepy is for serial killers and ghosts. On top of that, it stamped directly on all the 2E lore, which went on and on about how charming and self-confident Tieflings were! It was a 180 reversal on them, as was the insistence that Tieflings really were "usually evil" (which I believe the original MM entry expanded on more than the SRD entry does), rather than that they might slightly tend that way, but mostly that was prejudice against them. Further, you're not just interacting with "normal people", so a "normal people" deal should be a penalty specific to "normal people" (like a -1 or -2 on social rolls with them), NOT a CHA penalty, which affects interactions with all beings (including other scary people/monsters), damages your ability to be a Sorcerer/Bard, and so on. [/QUOTE]

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