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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6309697" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>Yeah, that's not going to work for me.</p><p></p><p>First, Lizard Folk - neither are lizards both are draconic. Also, you forgot .. unno.. Lizardfolk?</p><p></p><p>Second, WHICH tieflings? Isn't that the point of half this thread?</p><p></p><p>Third, while I have few problems with humans and half-humans being grouped together I honestly wonder to what end. All variants of Elf and Dwarf are definitely those things. Half-elves aren't humans and won't be confused with humans so why put them under the human banner.</p><p></p><p>Fourth, Halflings and Gnomes are different things. In fact as I recall there are nearly many subraces of gnomes as dwarves or elves. Fewer for halflings I'll admit but they are different beings entirely. Even the "lizard folk" you described are closer.</p><p></p><p>Fifth, (kind of covered with third) what is the point of grouping them this way? With elves and dwarves, and I'd add on halflings and gnomes (as their own race descriptors with subraces), I can see the point. With humans and lizardfolk I don't see it. You aren't saying "these are all that one thing, pick a variation" with half the groups that you are saying with the other half.</p><p></p><p>Let me put this another way.</p><p></p><p>What you gave for races is about as satisfactory as..</p><p></p><p>Wizards:</p><p>Witch/Warlock</p><p>Sorcerer</p><p>Bard</p><p></p><p>Clerics:</p><p>Cleric</p><p>Paladin</p><p>Cloistered Cleric</p><p></p><p>Rogues:</p><p>Monk</p><p>Ranger</p><p>Barbarian</p><p></p><p>Fighters:</p><p>Fighter</p><p>Warlord</p><p>Druid</p><p></p><p>But do you see the problem? Some of those things aren't like the others, some are their own thing entirely and some don't belong under the things you've sorted them (like having both draconic races under 'lizard folk'), oh and of course you've omitted others entirely (no lizardfolk in lizard folk = no rogue in the rogues). Some might follow a theme but as always there are others that don't. And in the case of the druid, just because it is good at fighting like a fighter doesn't mean it belongs under the fighter grouping (gnomes and halflings).</p><p></p><p>Really you can rearrange both lists ad nauseam to further illustrate the point, but I think by now you should see my point.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and halflings have 3 variations they've already discussed (I think it was 3 anyway) and none of those are the the other race known as the gnome.</p><p></p><p>Swing and a miss.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6309697, member: 95493"] Yeah, that's not going to work for me. First, Lizard Folk - neither are lizards both are draconic. Also, you forgot .. unno.. Lizardfolk? Second, WHICH tieflings? Isn't that the point of half this thread? Third, while I have few problems with humans and half-humans being grouped together I honestly wonder to what end. All variants of Elf and Dwarf are definitely those things. Half-elves aren't humans and won't be confused with humans so why put them under the human banner. Fourth, Halflings and Gnomes are different things. In fact as I recall there are nearly many subraces of gnomes as dwarves or elves. Fewer for halflings I'll admit but they are different beings entirely. Even the "lizard folk" you described are closer. Fifth, (kind of covered with third) what is the point of grouping them this way? With elves and dwarves, and I'd add on halflings and gnomes (as their own race descriptors with subraces), I can see the point. With humans and lizardfolk I don't see it. You aren't saying "these are all that one thing, pick a variation" with half the groups that you are saying with the other half. Let me put this another way. What you gave for races is about as satisfactory as.. Wizards: Witch/Warlock Sorcerer Bard Clerics: Cleric Paladin Cloistered Cleric Rogues: Monk Ranger Barbarian Fighters: Fighter Warlord Druid But do you see the problem? Some of those things aren't like the others, some are their own thing entirely and some don't belong under the things you've sorted them (like having both draconic races under 'lizard folk'), oh and of course you've omitted others entirely (no lizardfolk in lizard folk = no rogue in the rogues). Some might follow a theme but as always there are others that don't. And in the case of the druid, just because it is good at fighting like a fighter doesn't mean it belongs under the fighter grouping (gnomes and halflings). Really you can rearrange both lists ad nauseam to further illustrate the point, but I think by now you should see my point. Oh, and halflings have 3 variations they've already discussed (I think it was 3 anyway) and none of those are the the other race known as the gnome. Swing and a miss. [/QUOTE]
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