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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6310224" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>I'm not sure I understand this particular distinction.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm actually okay with this more or less. I would also put the underdark races together, but I can see why WotC would put Drow in the PHB and not the others (if it ends up going that way).</p><p></p><p>I am curious why "hybrids" is a term, but again, I can live with it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>My own quibble about this is that I don't see half-dragons as a "dragonborn" or belonging in a group with really any of these other true races. In my head half-dragons worked amazingly well as a template to be added to another race, but isn't a race itself. It seems as off to me as adding a human template to a dwarf or halfling.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I'm not sure why but it <em>still</em> bugs me that 4e included the Tiefling but no Aasimar. I liked the aasimar. Just seemed off to have one without the other. I hope that 5e doesn't fail to include the aasimar while including a tiefling race.</p><p></p><p>I kind of disagree with the planetouched race thing though. I never saw Gensai as planetouched; just like I don't see elementals as outsiders. But as with the PF rules on the subject, I can probably be persuaded for various reasons to deal with it if it is handled well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think WotC needs to either bring the two tieflings MORE in line or LESS. If leaving them as they are, I see it working out about as well as trying to shoehorn the Elemental Archons and Celestial Archons under the same banner and leaving it be. So, I suggest either calling one of the two races (and I'd vote for the 4e ones even though I like their look more, though their flavour far less) by another name OR actually explaining that both are actually Tieflings, Asmodeus' tieflings and tieflings by the original method. Basically either splitting them off to make the 4e brand stronger or make it weaker by having it subsumed by the Planescape brand. I'm not seeing ways around it. It won't work having two very different creatures sharing one name in this disjointed manner.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ditto. Though especially with races I've always treated it that way, I just hope it is made explicit.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ooooh, tails. That would be sweet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6310224, member: 95493"] I'm not sure I understand this particular distinction. I'm actually okay with this more or less. I would also put the underdark races together, but I can see why WotC would put Drow in the PHB and not the others (if it ends up going that way). I am curious why "hybrids" is a term, but again, I can live with it. My own quibble about this is that I don't see half-dragons as a "dragonborn" or belonging in a group with really any of these other true races. In my head half-dragons worked amazingly well as a template to be added to another race, but isn't a race itself. It seems as off to me as adding a human template to a dwarf or halfling. Yeah, I'm not sure why but it [I]still[/I] bugs me that 4e included the Tiefling but no Aasimar. I liked the aasimar. Just seemed off to have one without the other. I hope that 5e doesn't fail to include the aasimar while including a tiefling race. I kind of disagree with the planetouched race thing though. I never saw Gensai as planetouched; just like I don't see elementals as outsiders. But as with the PF rules on the subject, I can probably be persuaded for various reasons to deal with it if it is handled well. I think WotC needs to either bring the two tieflings MORE in line or LESS. If leaving them as they are, I see it working out about as well as trying to shoehorn the Elemental Archons and Celestial Archons under the same banner and leaving it be. So, I suggest either calling one of the two races (and I'd vote for the 4e ones even though I like their look more, though their flavour far less) by another name OR actually explaining that both are actually Tieflings, Asmodeus' tieflings and tieflings by the original method. Basically either splitting them off to make the 4e brand stronger or make it weaker by having it subsumed by the Planescape brand. I'm not seeing ways around it. It won't work having two very different creatures sharing one name in this disjointed manner. Ditto. Though especially with races I've always treated it that way, I just hope it is made explicit. Ooooh, tails. That would be sweet. [/QUOTE]
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