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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8101395" data-attributes="member: 83242">I understand your position and there is a certain logic to it.  However, I personally would never consider using anything other than an Adult dragon or older.  So I definitely don't see the Young Adult as a good metric to start with.  Young Adults can't even use Lair Actions.I a group wanted a CR 14 dragon as an end boss, I would go with an Adult Black or White Dragon. I can see that.  However, it still has expertise in perception and Keen Senses, so it is very perceptive. I will consider it,I'm taking the opposite approach, for some of the reasons in the other thread. The spells are for flavor only and can be complete forgotten in combat.  You do not need them.  The dragon's listed abilities should almost always be a better option. A DM doesn't need to worry about remember these, but they are there if the want them.Same as the spells.  They are there for flavor and for those DMs who want the extra work. They have no effect on the the ability of the stat block to do its job.  They are extra flavor if you want them.  Plus, there is no room to put all of these in.  I can come up with a different name for snatch and throw if that helps <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I'll look at it again.  The reason I made the change was because some conditions don't allow reactions and thus could, in theory, nullify the effect.  Though it is listed as trait and not a reaction, I thought it was confusing.I like that idea.  However, I think it works fine as a 1 action legendary action.  The other 1 action legendary actions are move & detect.I believe in not having more legendary action than necessary.  Originally, the Young Adult didn't have any legendary actions and then I added them in, but wanted it to be a little less than an Adult as it is not fully mature (Adults + get 3).I think about.  I don't see Young Adult dragons, regardless of CR as "big boss" type monsters. My plan was for Adult dragons to be the first "true" dragons and when they get most of their cool things.</blockquote>

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