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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 8109014" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>OK, first I will admit that most of are several years old and I didn't check them all thoroughly before post them. With that in mind I will get into your comments - and thank you for them!</p><p></p><p>First, I checked the CR and it was at 4, not 3 as listed. 2nd, I agree that incapacitated is way to strong for this low CR. I've replaced incapacitated and modified how the bite attack works.</p><p></p><p>I agree, It ends on a short or long rest now. I was corrected the DC (should have been 11).</p><p></p><p>Petrifying gaze. The big different between the Owl archon and a basilisk or medusa is that those monsters petrifying effects are passive and always on and effects all creatures within range. So those monsters gaze is every round against all creatures. The Owl is one creature, most likely once a combat. To me that is the balancing factor. I did add that the tears of an archon can eliminate the effect, giving DMs an option if the party doesn't have access to greater restoration.</p><p></p><p>I'm guessing you are talking about <em>Lore Master</em>? The Owl archon has expertise in perception as indicated by the skill bonus. This is not called out, just like for dragons and other creatures in the MM. Lore Master is different and doesn't apply to a specific skill, but any check used within the Owl's area of knowledge. Whether a "skill" applies or not. Basically, a DM doesn't have to worry about finding the right skill for an Owl archon to recall knowledge regarding its field, the archon gets the benefit of expertise and advantage.</p><p></p><p>Are you talking about the Warden or the Warden Guardian? The Warden Guardian would make 2 Glaive attacks, not two claw attacks. However, I forgot to figure Aura of Menace for both of them. Regarding the strength save, WotC often takes 10 on these, but given that it has prof. in Athletics, it makes sense to to give it the full DC treatment. Corrected now. Here is my updated CR breakdown:</p><p></p><p>For the Guardian I get:</p><p>Defensive CR 10 (178 effective HP = 8 + 2 for effective AC of 21)</p><p>Offensive CR 8 (51 DPR = 8, no attack adjustment)</p><p>Total CR: 9.5</p><p></p><p>For the Warden I get:</p><p>Defensive CR 10 (178 effective HP = 8 + 2 for effective AC of 20)</p><p>Offensive CR 6-7 (41-46 DPR depending on how often you assume it can get a bite attack, no attack adjustment)</p><p>Total CR: 8-8.5</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 8109014, member: 83242"] OK, first I will admit that most of are several years old and I didn't check them all thoroughly before post them. With that in mind I will get into your comments - and thank you for them! First, I checked the CR and it was at 4, not 3 as listed. 2nd, I agree that incapacitated is way to strong for this low CR. I've replaced incapacitated and modified how the bite attack works. I agree, It ends on a short or long rest now. I was corrected the DC (should have been 11). Petrifying gaze. The big different between the Owl archon and a basilisk or medusa is that those monsters petrifying effects are passive and always on and effects all creatures within range. So those monsters gaze is every round against all creatures. The Owl is one creature, most likely once a combat. To me that is the balancing factor. I did add that the tears of an archon can eliminate the effect, giving DMs an option if the party doesn't have access to greater restoration. I'm guessing you are talking about [I]Lore Master[/I]? The Owl archon has expertise in perception as indicated by the skill bonus. This is not called out, just like for dragons and other creatures in the MM. Lore Master is different and doesn't apply to a specific skill, but any check used within the Owl's area of knowledge. Whether a "skill" applies or not. Basically, a DM doesn't have to worry about finding the right skill for an Owl archon to recall knowledge regarding its field, the archon gets the benefit of expertise and advantage. Are you talking about the Warden or the Warden Guardian? The Warden Guardian would make 2 Glaive attacks, not two claw attacks. However, I forgot to figure Aura of Menace for both of them. Regarding the strength save, WotC often takes 10 on these, but given that it has prof. in Athletics, it makes sense to to give it the full DC treatment. Corrected now. Here is my updated CR breakdown: For the Guardian I get: Defensive CR 10 (178 effective HP = 8 + 2 for effective AC of 21) Offensive CR 8 (51 DPR = 8, no attack adjustment) Total CR: 9.5 For the Warden I get: Defensive CR 10 (178 effective HP = 8 + 2 for effective AC of 20) Offensive CR 6-7 (41-46 DPR depending on how often you assume it can get a bite attack, no attack adjustment) Total CR: 8-8.5 [/QUOTE]
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