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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ninja-to" data-source="post: 5780026" data-attributes="member: 19551">I actually tried the glue and paper solution. It doesn't work anymore.Back in 3.5 I did the same thing to my PHB. I managed to get everything to fit. However this time around, for my 4E 'fixes', I got about 2 pages (of the many) errata cut up on my table ready to put in the books, in a small font, and it simply wouldn't fit. There are places where one sentence is replaced by something the size of an entire paragraph, and vise versa. There are lots of them. It was futile.Let's imagine I magically found room to replace one line with a block of text. I'll pose this question: *Why* should I have to go through a 2 year old book to fix a multitude of issues, CORE issues, that should not be there in the first place?Also, a revision to a reaction to the munchkins is the same thing, if not worse than a 'typo' or a mistake in a table.There needs to be less reaction and more foresight. They have literally hundreds of game testers if the 'playtester' credits page in the PHB is anything to go by, and as we know they're working for FREE. Sorry but for me, there's simply no excuse. There are many many ways to overcome these issues. There are literally thousands of gamers out there that would gladly give feedback and 'munchkin' test to death any rules set for an upcoming D&D edition and enjoy doing it.As I said, if they are unable to handle the proper play testing then go digital. I for one, have grown very tired of after-the-fact 'fixes' to problems that should not exist in the first place.If over the years of recent editions there were only a small handful of mistakes in some of the books, and the errata fixed *only* a few minor balance changes, then I may agree with you, that errata of that kind are welcome. However that is nothing near the truth. Even putting the sheer NUMBER of changes aside, along with all the changes to the changes, it's blatantly clear that many of the products that have been shipped to sell are clearly not ready to be put on store shelves. It's not typos, printing errors or minor rules that are broken, it's fundamental things that are being 'fixed'. Sadly, the core books (PHB/DMG/MM) are definitely in that category, and if there are any books that need to be perfect, or damn close, it should most certainly be those. I remember a recent comment of one of my players at my table, after another was looking up a rule in the PHB. He simply laughed and said 'um just give it up, that book is pretty much obsolete'. That should not be happening 2-3 years after the book was first published.5E, if I ever buy it, won't receive any of my money until at least 6 to 12 months after release, and only if this issue of pushing broken, error filled books out before they're ready has been resolved. It's fairly safe to say everyone at my gaming table will be following suit.I do agree with you on the CB addressing most of those problems. It's too bad they ripped it apart and destroyed the best thing they had going for them since 4E's release. If they produce a solid digital suite to introduce 5E, akin to (but hopefully a more *complete* package than) the offline CB, I'll be much more inclined to part with my money.</blockquote>

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