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<blockquote data-quote="Whizbang Dustyboots" data-source="post: 8300038" data-attributes="member: 11760">Here's the scenario all these arguments keep missing:New player (not a hypothetical -- this is from my own table): &quot;I want to play a Witch.&quot;Me: &quot;Uh, there isn't a Witch, per se, but we can hack one together using Wizard or Druid or Warlock or Sorcerer.&quot;New player, deflating: &quot;Oh, um, never mind.&quot;All of the people saying &quot;we don't need a Witch class, because all of us who don't want one would just use our system mastery to hack one together&quot; aren't getting that you aren't the target audience. The giant world of people who don't play D&amp;D, for whom &quot;Witch&quot; is a much more concrete concept than &quot;Druid&quot; or especially &quot;Cleric,&quot; want and expect &quot;Witch&quot; to be a thing in the most popular fantasy RPG around.If a generally non-offensive Druid can be in the PHB, a generally non-offensive Witch can be. A core class is doable -- there's plenty of mechanical space left in the game for another caster, probably multiple sorts -- but a subclass is undeniably doable, especially if the cross-class subclass system makes it into a future PHB or other book. (And yes, the Witherbloom is a great start at that, but again, when someone says &quot;I want to play a witch,&quot; they don't want to be told &quot;just pretend this Witherbloom in a supplement about MTG is a Witch.&quot;)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Whizbang Dustyboots, post: 8300038, member: 11760"] Here's the scenario all these arguments keep missing: New player (not a hypothetical -- [I]this is from my own table[/I]): "I want to play a Witch." Me: "Uh, there isn't a Witch, per se, but we can hack one together using Wizard or Druid or Warlock or Sorcerer." New player, deflating: "Oh, um, never mind." All of the people saying "we don't need a Witch class, because all of us who don't want one would just use our system mastery to hack one together" aren't getting that you aren't the target audience. The giant world of people who don't play D&D, for whom "Witch" is a much more concrete concept than "Druid" or especially "Cleric," want and expect "Witch" to be a thing in the most popular fantasy RPG around. If a generally non-offensive Druid can be in the PHB, a generally non-offensive Witch can be. A core class is doable -- there's plenty of mechanical space left in the game for another caster, probably multiple sorts -- but a subclass is undeniably doable, especially if the cross-class subclass system makes it into a future PHB or other book. (And yes, the Witherbloom is a great start at that, but again, when someone says "I want to play a witch," they don't want to be told "just pretend this Witherbloom in a supplement about MTG is a Witch.") [/QUOTE]

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