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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 8308651" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>I think it was a compromise of conflicting design goals. Some Subclasses were designed to be achetypes/kits/PrCs/Paragon Paths for the existing classes, only adding a dose of flavor or focus. However, they also began using them as class-replacement tools, which worked to varying degrees of success. I think few people were unsatisfied for the wizard/illusionist or rogue/assassin replacing the old 1e classes, but battlemaster didn't quite scratch the "warlord" itch and people have lamented Avenger, Shaman, and Warden all getting only partial conversions as subs. The vehement opposition to wizard/artificer is what got us the 20-level class in Eberron today. I still hope a psion is possible, but for me, witch is good enough as a subclass (considering warlock does share conceptual space with it already).</p></blockquote><p></p>