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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5886079" data-attributes="member: 42582">What counts as a fundamental change obviously is contentious. But I think 3E changed quite a few things:*fighters went from having good saves and a high degree of versatility in both build and play (potentially athletic, charismatic, knowledgeable etc) to having generally bad saves and a low degree of versatility (2 skill points per level with a fairly narrow class list);*magic attack rules were changed, so that as spellcasters gained levels it tended to become easier, rather than harder, to hit comparable HD monsters with their spells.*monster build rules changed fundamentally - both by basing them around PC stats, and by introducing the idea of "natural armour";*as a result of changes to monsters, druids became supercharged (because of their pets and their wildshape);*as a result of changes to monsters, the relative mechanical threat posed by high HD monsters compared to low HD monster became greatly increased;*and many other things that I'm sure those who are more familiar with 3E than me could describe.Whether these are fundamental changes I'll leave for others to judge. They seem fairly different to me.</blockquote>