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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5886179" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Sorry, BRG, gonna pick on you for this, but, I've seen a few people put forth this idea.</p><p></p><p>The changes between AD&D (even late era 2e) and 3e are comprehensive to say the least. Let's start a list.</p><p></p><p>1. AD&D balanced classes by having different XP advancement rates. 3e balanced classes from the outset. (or at least tried).</p><p></p><p>2. AD&D used a saving throw system that is entirely different than 3e. They aren't even close to comparable. To the point where <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0074.html" target="_blank">Giant In the Playground Games</a> even parodies it.</p><p></p><p>3. AD&D restricts class/race combinations to varying degrees. 3e removes all restrictions and completely reworks the multiclassing mechanics from the ground up.</p><p></p><p>4. 2e has kits. 3e has prestige classes. Again, entirely different concepts and mechanics.</p><p></p><p>5. Weapon mechanics. AD&D uses weapon vs armor mechanics, variable intiative, initiative ranges from either d6 or d10 vs d20. Differing weapon damage vs different sized creatures vs baseline damage. Characters in AD&D must choose from a limited list based on class how many different kinds weapons they can use vs 3e's weapon proficiencies are baked into the classes. </p><p></p><p>6. The basic time measurements are entirely different - 1 minute rounds vs 6 seconds. Casting times for spells are entirely reworked.</p><p></p><p>7. AD&D magic item creation rules were mostly left to the DM to decide. 3e codifies magic item creation, placing the ability to craft magic items squarely in the hands of the players.</p><p></p><p>8. Virtually every single spell is reworked to a greater or lesser degree.</p><p></p><p>-------</p><p></p><p>Y'know what? I'm going to stop there. It would probably be easier to list the things that DIDN'T change from AD&D to 3e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5886179, member: 22779"] Sorry, BRG, gonna pick on you for this, but, I've seen a few people put forth this idea. The changes between AD&D (even late era 2e) and 3e are comprehensive to say the least. Let's start a list. 1. AD&D balanced classes by having different XP advancement rates. 3e balanced classes from the outset. (or at least tried). 2. AD&D used a saving throw system that is entirely different than 3e. They aren't even close to comparable. To the point where [url=http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0074.html]Giant In the Playground Games[/url] even parodies it. 3. AD&D restricts class/race combinations to varying degrees. 3e removes all restrictions and completely reworks the multiclassing mechanics from the ground up. 4. 2e has kits. 3e has prestige classes. Again, entirely different concepts and mechanics. 5. Weapon mechanics. AD&D uses weapon vs armor mechanics, variable intiative, initiative ranges from either d6 or d10 vs d20. Differing weapon damage vs different sized creatures vs baseline damage. Characters in AD&D must choose from a limited list based on class how many different kinds weapons they can use vs 3e's weapon proficiencies are baked into the classes. 6. The basic time measurements are entirely different - 1 minute rounds vs 6 seconds. Casting times for spells are entirely reworked. 7. AD&D magic item creation rules were mostly left to the DM to decide. 3e codifies magic item creation, placing the ability to craft magic items squarely in the hands of the players. 8. Virtually every single spell is reworked to a greater or lesser degree. ------- Y'know what? I'm going to stop there. It would probably be easier to list the things that DIDN'T change from AD&D to 3e. [/QUOTE]
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