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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 6868907" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>It truly is a vicious circle <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>To speak to the "Bagpipes" skill/tool dilemma, here's how I understand Mearls' own answer which I will be shamelessly pilfering for my own rulings on the subject. Proficiency with the "tool" of an instrument means you have training in how to play the instrument. You know the scales, the chords, you can tune it properly, and you probably know quite a few songs you can play by heart. Proficiently. Playing, let's say, an ocarina, with the precise notes necessary to open a magically locked door? I'd call it a Dexterity (Ocarina) check. Playing that same ocarina in a bar to get the drunk patrons to tip you generously? Charisma (Performance) check, and only if the player also has proficiency in the ocarina.</p><p></p><p>Or another example. Say you're at a piano, getting ready to play one of Chopin's nocturnes. If your aim was to play it perfectly; not missing a single note, with absolutely perfect timing; that's a Dexterity (Piano) check. Playing it with the passion and raw energy necessary to move a crowd, emotionally, though? That would be a Charisma (Performance) check, because then it's less a measure of your skill with the instrument (though again, I would require at least some measure of proficiency with it); it's about reading and manipulating the energy of the room.</p><p></p><p>To a lay person that may seem like a distinction without a difference, but to a performer it's incredibly significant.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 6868907, member: 57112"] It truly is a vicious circle :) To speak to the "Bagpipes" skill/tool dilemma, here's how I understand Mearls' own answer which I will be shamelessly pilfering for my own rulings on the subject. Proficiency with the "tool" of an instrument means you have training in how to play the instrument. You know the scales, the chords, you can tune it properly, and you probably know quite a few songs you can play by heart. Proficiently. Playing, let's say, an ocarina, with the precise notes necessary to open a magically locked door? I'd call it a Dexterity (Ocarina) check. Playing that same ocarina in a bar to get the drunk patrons to tip you generously? Charisma (Performance) check, and only if the player also has proficiency in the ocarina. Or another example. Say you're at a piano, getting ready to play one of Chopin's nocturnes. If your aim was to play it perfectly; not missing a single note, with absolutely perfect timing; that's a Dexterity (Piano) check. Playing it with the passion and raw energy necessary to move a crowd, emotionally, though? That would be a Charisma (Performance) check, because then it's less a measure of your skill with the instrument (though again, I would require at least some measure of proficiency with it); it's about reading and manipulating the energy of the room. To a lay person that may seem like a distinction without a difference, but to a performer it's incredibly significant. [/QUOTE]
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