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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 6870022" data-attributes="member: 6777737">Hm?  You didn't use the abbreviated spell lists to do that?Honestly, I found the combination of the abbreviated spell lists (that included spell school!) and the alpha list of spells (whose headers list the class and level of the spell!) was just about perfect.  The only thing that was missing was a page number from the abbreviated lists.  I could see a list of spells that was by level, and then have an alpha spell index with brief descriptions, page numbers, and spell schools.  That would work, and maybe it would be easier in play?  Unlike previous editions, a spell is always the same level.  None of that "X gets spell at level N, but Y gets spell at level N+2" nonsense.Still, I think spells sorted alpha works out better as a reference list during actual play.  You can't tell me you never wasted time at a gaming table searching through the Priest spells in 1e or 2e for 5 minutes only to find out the Wizard spell you wanted was in another part of the book, or been frustrated when a monster entry said "free action (1/day)" and you were like, "Damn, I need to know what the spell does and if it will work through a globe of invulnerability," and you had to do two lookups, one to get the spell's level (because you don't know it and again fighting the two class spell lists), and one to get the spell's description or something similar.I can't imagine not having something straight alpha.  The last thing I'd want to do is have spell descriptions sorted by level, and spell lists sorted by class and level, and then need to find where the spell on the class list to find out what the level is so you can lookup the description based on the level.  Gee, this creature castsfreedom of movement.  What does that do?  Well, is it a Bard, Cleric, Druid, Ranger, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock, or Wizard spell?  And which level is it?  I guess I have to go through each level.  Ok, now I can look the description up.Truly it'd be nice to have it both ways.  Maybe, I don't know, WotC could release a PDF that has it both ways since they don't have to print it that way, or, you know, get someone to make an app that isn't dogshit and actually successfully launches.  I know, I'm apparently asking for the moon.I do dislike the 5e spell organization.  The class spell index lacks page numbers and spell schools.  The spell descriptions lack classes.  In order to figure out what you can even do, you're flipping back and forth constantly.  It's about as functionally useless as I could imagine.And, yeah, I know they eliminated the brief descriptions because they weren't perfect and people used them instead of reading the spells, but... honestly, I feel like if you were using the brief descriptions and nobody at your table caught you then you deserved what you got.  If you couldn't be bothered to read the spell description because of the abbreviation, you probably won't play spells correctly in 5e, either.  Or, you know, you could put some goddamn page numbers on the spell lists.  InDesign and LaTeX both have cross-reference tools.  Hell, even MS Word will do that for you.</blockquote>

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