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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Luce" data-source="post: 6361399" data-attributes="member: 29760">Actually there are plenty of things in 2e that can be attempted without training.Too bad the rules were spread out all over the place.DMG has hear noise rules for example. Fire starting proficiency mentions that it addressed extreme conditions- that is anyone can start a fire in reasonable conditions, but get to one going while camping outside in a middle of a thunderstorm one needs special training.The following article is the most complete list I know of, that addresses the issue.(From the Dragon Dex website)Abilities: Shared by all characters "What Do You Know?" by Lloyd Brown III in Dragon 268(pp36)Things discussed include does include Climbing (base 40% adjusted for race, conditions and equipment).( as found in PHB p 160-163) cooking, swimming, math, religion etc. Wizards can use swords, it is not worth their time mostly since they do so with not proficient penalty of 5 (or 3 if already proficient with similar weapon) Dual or multi class wizard is most likely to bother with swords.As much as I like to claim  that I know this because I am some sort of 2e sage,the truth is I was just reading some back issues during a bout of insomnia few days prior.</blockquote>