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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 5772762" data-attributes="member: 326">Hi Pssthpok mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think D&D definately needs a simplification to be more accessible. I think with 4E they got the monsters right, but the PC side of things needs to be simplified.Instead of having a laundry list of powers (12 pages for the Fighter with 77 power choices not counting Paragon Paths even) they should have instead done something like the following:At-Will powers: Base Power: 1[W] at 1st, 2[W] at 21st,Encounter Powers: Base Power: 2[W] at 1st, 3[W] at 7th, 4[W] at 17th, 5[W] at 27thDaily Powers:Base Power: 3[W] at 1st, 4[W] at 5th, 5[W] at 9th, 6[W] at 15th, 7[W] at 19th, 8[W] 25th, 9[W] at 29thSo once you give people the basics you give a list of (for example) 20 effects that you can choose to add to powers. But each of these effects has a negative modifier to the damage dice. So 'off the top of my head' you'd have something like:Power ModifiersA. Glancing Blow (Miss = deals str bonus dmg) = -0 base [W]*B. Precise Attack (+2 to hit) = -0 base [W]*C. Push (1 square) = -0 base [W]*D. Minor Shift (shift 1 square after attack) = -0 base [W]**Only add one to an attack1. Two Attacks = 1/2 base [W] each2. Knock Prone = -1 base [W]3. Slowed (until end of your next turn) = -1 base [W]4. Spend Healing Surge after attacking = -1 base [W]5. Aggression (+2 to hit, +4 to damage) = -1 base [W]6. Damage Bonus equal to ability mod = -1 base [W]7. Immobilize (save ends) = -1 base [W]8. Improved Glancing Blow (half damage on miss) = -1 base [W]9. Daze (save ends) = -1 base [W]10. Very Precise Attack (+4 to hit) = -1 base [W]11. +2 to AC (until end of next turn) = -1 base [W]12. Reliable = -1 base [W]13. Major Shift (Shift # squares equal to Dex mod) = -1 base [W]14. Superior Crit (Crit chance 1 better) = -1 base [W]15. Slide Target (1 square) = -1 base [W]16. Ongoing 5 damage = -2 base [W] (additional -2 base [W] for every +5 ongoing damage)17. Three Attacks = 1/3 base [W] each18. Close Burst 1 = 1/2 base [W] (Close burst 2 = 1/4[W])19. Disarm = -2 base [W]20. Stun (save ends) = -4 base [W]e.g. Level 25 Daily = 8[W] flat damageor you could change this to 2[W] Close Burst 1 and Daze (save ends)So there is about 10 pages of text from the 4E Fighters section condensed down to about 1/2 a page.For Wizards you could have a different set of modifiers affecting Range, Area size etc.This way you don't need pages upon pages for each class. You just need a few lines of text.In fairness, it is my fault. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!    :o"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />It would take a lot of work to get a sufficient number of Immortal Tier classes up and running. Even then, I can just imagine loads of people being disappointed if 'their' PC's class wasn't represented. Even an updated version of the Epic Bestiary with maybe double the monsters would have been cool. From the feedback I got, all players wanted their class levels to continue in any Immortal Tier.So I'd have had the Classes progress for 10 levels, plus the Portfolios would have been done as Portfolio Paths (replacing Paragon Paths).You're probably right, it did nothing to help 3E epic.Maybe who knows. If they just take the modular approach I suggested above then you could simplify ALL classes down to 1 page of text.</blockquote>

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