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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6361288" data-attributes="member: 18">Well, I think he's going on the fact that people keep claiming Rogues are really powerful, when, obviously, they aren't. They're not as terrible as he suggests, I think, but they not, well, that scary. I totally get what you're saying, but I feel like you're missing who he's talking about, which isn't the guy going &quot;Oh I want to be Locke Lamora so I will play a Rogue!&quot; - pretty sure Jack gets that, and seems odd that you assume he doesn't (like do you think he's an alien or never played an RPG or something?) - pretty sure, too, that Jack is talking about the sort of semi-optimizer or &quot;CONCERNED DM&quot;-type figure who is going around saying &quot;OMG GUYZ ROUGES CAN DO SO MANY DAMAGES!!!!!!&quot; when actually they're not that spectacular.&nbsp;[MENTION=6777377]Jack the Lad[/MENTION] - Ack, Forcecage, I hate that bloody spell. Greatest 2E group I ever played with got TPK'd by it because it's so goddamn cheesy and if the 5E version is just as cheesy... ugh.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6361288, member: 18"] Well, I think he's going on the fact that people keep claiming Rogues are really powerful, when, obviously, they aren't. They're not as terrible as he suggests, I think, but they not, well, that scary. I totally get what you're saying, but I feel like you're missing who he's talking about, which isn't the guy going "Oh I want to be Locke Lamora so I will play a Rogue!" - pretty sure Jack gets that, and seems odd that you assume he doesn't (like do you think he's an alien or never played an RPG or something?) - pretty sure, too, that Jack is talking about the sort of semi-optimizer or "CONCERNED DM"-type figure who is going around saying "OMG GUYZ ROUGES CAN DO SO MANY DAMAGES!!!!!!" when actually they're not that spectacular. [MENTION=6777377]Jack the Lad[/MENTION] - Ack, Forcecage, I hate that bloody spell. Greatest 2E group I ever played with got TPK'd by it because it's so goddamn cheesy and if the 5E version is just as cheesy... ugh. [/QUOTE]

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