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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 6631405" data-attributes="member: 53980">The 1st level slot for Bless is not the significant factor and I never said it was. Concentration, however, is significant. In the case of Bless it's arguably worth it, but the caster nonetheless can't cast any other concentration spells.Foresight's a great spell. Never said it wasn't. You seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if the rest of the party is expending resources to buff you, then that has to be accounted for. A caster's only 9th level spell and the concentration of two casters is quite significant.Throwing in a few mages (cultists who worship the dragon) isn't engineering a fight IMO. That said, I see nothing wrong with throwing the occasional optimized fight against an optimized party. What's good for the goose and all that...I'm simply assuming good tactics on the part of the DM. One assumes that ancient dragons got to be that age for a reason. I realize that it wasn't a spellcasting dragon in your case, but had it been it could have simply approached while invisible.Again, I believe you when you say that your party (and in particular your EK fighter) strains the combat pillar. It's to be expected with an optimized party. If I were your DM I'd let most fights be easy, because that certainly seems what your group was going for, and you've arguably earned it. However, I honestly believe that I could challenge such a party when I wanted to, even without custom building encounters just to destroy your EK. Spells like Dispel Magic and Maze have more uses than just against an EK archer, believe it or not. If you can scout and plan tactics, then you better believe your enemies can use divinations and other methods to learn your tricks. I don't think there's anything wrong with an optimized party, but the DM does have to play at their level or they'll steamroll his encounters. That's just common sense.I do wonder whether the melee would have seemed quite so outclassed if they'd been the ones receiving Haste and Foresight. I doubt it would have been as optimal a strategy, but it might have made the melee a bit more competitive by comparison.</blockquote>

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