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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6631513" data-attributes="member: 2011">Just to be fair, one should be looking at DPR. You cannot just disregard the -5 to hit like you did in your math and just add in the +10 damage.Note: By &quot;No GWM&quot;, I mean not using the -5/+10 feature. The extra damage and bonus attack for doing a critical doesn't change the percentage difference.No GWM: 85% chance to hit (AC 18): 12.75 * 4 = 51 vs.GWM: 60% chance to hit: 15 * 4 = 60 (increase of 17%)No GWM: 75% chance to hit (AC 20): 11.25 * 4 = 45 vs.GWM: 50% chance to hit: 12.5 * 4 = 50 (increase of 11%)No GWM: 65% chance to hit (AC 22): 9.75 * 4 = 39 vs.GWM: 40% chance to hit: 10 * 4 = 40 (increase of 2.5%)And once one gets to AC 23, the DPR advantage goes to No GWM.So, it really depends on what you are fighting. Most worthwhile fights at 20th level are against foes with decent AC or with the ability to get decent ACs. For example, an ancient Dragon that can throw up a Haste spell (or better yet, a Blur spell) or some such. Granted, PCs are buffing and/or debuffing too. Which is why all ancient dragons should have their own NPC henchmen spell casters. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6631513, member: 2011"] Just to be fair, one should be looking at DPR. You cannot just disregard the -5 to hit like you did in your math and just add in the +10 damage. Note: By "No GWM", I mean not using the -5/+10 feature. The extra damage and bonus attack for doing a critical doesn't change the percentage difference. No GWM: 85% chance to hit (AC 18): 12.75 * 4 = 51 vs. GWM: 60% chance to hit: 15 * 4 = 60 (increase of 17%) No GWM: 75% chance to hit (AC 20): 11.25 * 4 = 45 vs. GWM: 50% chance to hit: 12.5 * 4 = 50 (increase of 11%) No GWM: 65% chance to hit (AC 22): 9.75 * 4 = 39 vs. GWM: 40% chance to hit: 10 * 4 = 40 (increase of 2.5%) And once one gets to AC 23, the DPR advantage goes to No GWM. So, it really depends on what you are fighting. Most worthwhile fights at 20th level are against foes with decent AC or with the ability to get decent ACs. For example, an ancient Dragon that can throw up a Haste spell (or better yet, a Blur spell) or some such. Granted, PCs are buffing and/or debuffing too. Which is why all ancient dragons should have their own NPC henchmen spell casters. :lol: [/QUOTE]

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