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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6632244" data-attributes="member: 6787650">1.) I don't think it's a problem per se. &quot;Never bring a knife to a gunfight&quot; is a proverb for good reason IRL, it's not bad to have a game which reflects that reality.2.) There were no feats in play in that combat except GWM on the barbarian. Regular old shortbows worked well enough to win anyway, due to Spike Growth/Everard's Black Tentacles. Conversely, if the Umber Hulks had had a ranged attack they would have avoided Spike Growth/Tentacles entirely, been able to choose targets freely (possibly including the wizard), and generally had far more tactical options open. Ranged vs. Melee damage doesn't affect CR at all but in reality it's a huge difference. 1000 XP of drow &gt; 36,000 XP of Umber Hulk. (Well, to be fair, by the time they fought umber hulks they had a bunch more drow skeletons fighting on their side too. 24 skeletons now vs. 11 or so when they fought the drow.)3.) Even though melee is lame IMO, the barbarian had tons of fun stonewalling the umber hulks and hitting them with his glaive (of lifestealing) for 27+ points of damage per turn. So obviously tastes vary.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6632244, member: 6787650"] 1.) I don't think it's a problem per se. "Never bring a knife to a gunfight" is a proverb for good reason IRL, it's not bad to have a game which reflects that reality. 2.) There were no feats in play in that combat except GWM on the barbarian. Regular old shortbows worked well enough to win anyway, due to Spike Growth/Everard's Black Tentacles. Conversely, if the Umber Hulks had had a ranged attack they would have avoided Spike Growth/Tentacles entirely, been able to choose targets freely (possibly including the wizard), and generally had far more tactical options open. Ranged vs. Melee damage doesn't affect CR at all but in reality it's a huge difference. 1000 XP of drow > 36,000 XP of Umber Hulk. (Well, to be fair, by the time they fought umber hulks they had a bunch more drow skeletons fighting on their side too. 24 skeletons now vs. 11 or so when they fought the drow.) 3.) Even though melee is lame IMO, the barbarian had tons of fun stonewalling the umber hulks and hitting them with his glaive (of lifestealing) for 27+ points of damage per turn. So obviously tastes vary. [/QUOTE]

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