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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6634085" data-attributes="member: 15700">Well, a barbarian's whole theme is around a raging smash monster, so of course most things are around strength.&nbsp; But you can use an eagle totem or other options there to grant you flying, and many abilities also affect ranged weapons.&nbsp; Most barbarians are going to have a good DEX anyway.&nbsp; And for paladin's, they have a lot options via spells and abilities to keep your group alive.&nbsp; Everyone has options of feats (unless your table doesn't use them), so even the most melee paladin can choose magic initiate with eldritch blast and spell sniper; a STR based melee focuses specialty who can still be somewhat effective at long ranges.But again, it comes down to your choices.&nbsp; If you want something super effective at range, you choose a caster like a warlock, a ranger, or an archer fighter.&nbsp; What you're essentially saying is that you want to be able to choose a STR based melee specialty class/concept, and be super effective at the things that class/build isn't specialized in.&nbsp; Seems you want your cake and eat it too.&nbsp; We all have choices as to what we want to focus on, and the game does a pretty good job giving us those choices, including fighters.I'm not adverse to a homebrew rule change of barbarian or paladin that focuses on ranged.&nbsp; Say, replace bonus rage damage to DEX based instead of STR based, and replace Divine Smite to apply to ranged weapons instead of melee weapons, but you shouldn't have both IMO.&nbsp; Otherwise you end up with an uber class that everyone and their grandma's dog would be complaining is too OP.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6634085, member: 15700"] Well, a barbarian's whole theme is around a raging smash monster, so of course most things are around strength. But you can use an eagle totem or other options there to grant you flying, and many abilities also affect ranged weapons. Most barbarians are going to have a good DEX anyway. And for paladin's, they have a lot options via spells and abilities to keep your group alive. [i]Everyone[/i] has options of feats (unless your table doesn't use them), so even the most melee paladin can choose magic initiate with eldritch blast and spell sniper; a STR based melee focuses specialty who can still be somewhat effective at long ranges. But again, it comes down to your choices. If you want something super effective at range, you choose a caster like a warlock, a ranger, or an archer fighter. What you're essentially saying is that you want to be able to choose a STR based melee specialty class/concept, and be super effective at the things that class/build isn't specialized in. Seems you want your cake and eat it too. We all have choices as to what we want to focus on, and the game does a pretty good job giving us those choices, including fighters. I'm not adverse to a homebrew rule change of barbarian or paladin that focuses on ranged. Say, replace bonus rage damage to DEX based instead of STR based, and replace Divine Smite to apply to ranged weapons instead of melee weapons, but you shouldn't have both IMO. Otherwise you end up with an uber class that everyone and their grandma's dog would be complaining is too OP. [/QUOTE]

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