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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6634161" data-attributes="member: 5834">The bow isn't effective. We play agro a certain way. The monster attacks the PC doing the most damage which he views as the most dangerous. A GWM str-based fighter is an extremely low threat to the dragon. So he won't go after the fighter in general. If the paladin can't get into melee, he likely won't do much damage. He can't smite with the bow. His dex was even worse at 8. So our two main damage dealers are plinkiing away with the bow, the evoker is doing good damage and becomes the target.Well the evoker has lame AC. In 5E caster AC is not very good unless you multiclass fighter and wear heavy or medium armor. A dragon can see through most illusion-type spells like mirror image or invisibility. So you're left to get slammed on unless you can position far, far away with the dragon in view launching long range spells while he can't see you. The terrain did not set up for this.My evoker can't take being the number one target for a dragon. He'll die and die quick. Though the fighter and paladin could do some damage with the bow, they couldn't do enough to prevent the dragon from quickly destroying the casters who generally aren't built to take damage. That would lead to party death as well. If you make a caster, I would suggest taking a level of a class that synergizes well and gives out medium armor and a shield. Then you can at least have a somewhat decent AC and use shield to give yourself a pretty good AC on occasion. You might be able to tank a bit, though still rough against breath weapons with no good dex save. Dragon eat you up pretty quick due to low hit points. Just better to play a ranged striker that can do melee on occasion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6634161, member: 5834"] The bow isn't effective. We play agro a certain way. The monster attacks the PC doing the most damage which he views as the most dangerous. A GWM str-based fighter is an extremely low threat to the dragon. So he won't go after the fighter in general. If the paladin can't get into melee, he likely won't do much damage. He can't smite with the bow. His dex was even worse at 8. So our two main damage dealers are plinkiing away with the bow, the evoker is doing good damage and becomes the target. Well the evoker has lame AC. In 5E caster AC is not very good unless you multiclass fighter and wear heavy or medium armor. A dragon can see through most illusion-type spells like [I]mirror image[/I] or [I]invisibility[/I]. So you're left to get slammed on unless you can position far, far away with the dragon in view launching long range spells while he can't see you. The terrain did not set up for this. My evoker can't take being the number one target for a dragon. He'll die and die quick. Though the fighter and paladin could do some damage with the bow, they couldn't do enough to prevent the dragon from quickly destroying the casters who generally aren't built to take damage. That would lead to party death as well. If you make a caster, I would suggest taking a level of a class that synergizes well and gives out medium armor and a shield. Then you can at least have a somewhat decent AC and use [I]shield[/I] to give yourself a pretty good AC on occasion. You might be able to tank a bit, though still rough against breath weapons with no good dex save. Dragon eat you up pretty quick due to low hit points. Just better to play a ranged striker that can do melee on occasion. [/QUOTE]

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