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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6634175" data-attributes="member: 5834"><p>What you just stated is plot armor. A DM providing alternate options to a group of PCs that are story-based rather than founded in the PCs listed capabilities. You are allowing them to defeat the dragon using a plot device rather than their capabilities.</p><p></p><p>The DM could also as part of the plot say, "The dragon is too smart to fall for that tactic. Find something else to do." Your party could spend hours trying to figure out ways to do something to beat the dragon, the DM could continue to say the dragon doesn't fall for it. So you end up wasting time.</p><p></p><p>Not every DM is going to allow the group to boil some gold, pour it into a statue mold, lure the dragon into a great hall, and release the molten gold on the dragon. That is the very essence of plot armor. Works great in a movie. Works great for some DMs like yourself that run that style. Not so reliable as a method for defeating dragons in a fairly straight-forward game where the DM is running it by the book and you don't have great options for finding alternate means of defeating the dragon.</p><p></p><p>I really tried to find a way to lure the dragon out. We had nothing. The dragon lairs we went to were deep inside their areas. You couldn't sneak barely inside and hope the dragon came. We tried camping the entrance to the dragon's lair, it left underwater. We didn't have the means to fight a large battle underwater. You can't create scrolls with the spells you needed. Fighting underwater against a dragon that breathes ice is not real smart. Overall, it was very bad circumstances. Luring a dragon out of its lair is not easy. It takes an enormous amount of planning and possibly time. Dragons don't even necessarily eat every day. They often have better intelligence about what is going on where they live than you do. The dragon is actively watching you do what you do, so you have to figure out not only how to lure it out, but how to do so without it noticing you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6634175, member: 5834"] What you just stated is plot armor. A DM providing alternate options to a group of PCs that are story-based rather than founded in the PCs listed capabilities. You are allowing them to defeat the dragon using a plot device rather than their capabilities. The DM could also as part of the plot say, "The dragon is too smart to fall for that tactic. Find something else to do." Your party could spend hours trying to figure out ways to do something to beat the dragon, the DM could continue to say the dragon doesn't fall for it. So you end up wasting time. Not every DM is going to allow the group to boil some gold, pour it into a statue mold, lure the dragon into a great hall, and release the molten gold on the dragon. That is the very essence of plot armor. Works great in a movie. Works great for some DMs like yourself that run that style. Not so reliable as a method for defeating dragons in a fairly straight-forward game where the DM is running it by the book and you don't have great options for finding alternate means of defeating the dragon. I really tried to find a way to lure the dragon out. We had nothing. The dragon lairs we went to were deep inside their areas. You couldn't sneak barely inside and hope the dragon came. We tried camping the entrance to the dragon's lair, it left underwater. We didn't have the means to fight a large battle underwater. You can't create scrolls with the spells you needed. Fighting underwater against a dragon that breathes ice is not real smart. Overall, it was very bad circumstances. Luring a dragon out of its lair is not easy. It takes an enormous amount of planning and possibly time. Dragons don't even necessarily eat every day. They often have better intelligence about what is going on where they live than you do. The dragon is actively watching you do what you do, so you have to figure out not only how to lure it out, but how to do so without it noticing you. [/QUOTE]
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