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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6634872" data-attributes="member: 5834">Did you just snip a comment and completely misconstrue what was said? Why yes you did.There is no "true" D&D. That is why I said "Core" D&D. As in the core books and the core assumptions of the game as in very few magic items if any, no dragon allies, point buy stats, average hit points, running a WotC designed module with encounters designed by game designers.I'm not getting good discussion as it is. I'm getting the perspective of people running games far away from the standard core system with huge dragon allies and access to magical items that allow them to far exceed the capabilities of characters run using the core rules and assumptions. How does that perspective in any way address the situation I'm dealing with following the core rules and assumptions of the game? For example, an adult dragon breath weapon from a white dragon (one of the weaker dragons) can kill a 9th level character in one hit if they miss their save. It can devastate a party in one round. Now I'm being told a 6th level party with even lower hit points is beating adult dragons easily? The math in that situation does not in anyway work. They obviously have some means to counter or deal with dragon breath otherwise their 6th level party will die fast and easy 99% of the time. Which is why I stated what I did. A 6th level character does not have enough hit points to stand up to an adult dragon in its lair. One breath weapon hit practically kills them all. A breath weapon hit wit lair actions and legendary actions would decimate a 6th level party.The only optional rule we used in the PHB was feats. I don't know what my DM modified in Tyranny of Dragons. I'm finding he changed the terrain of the white dragon lair we fought in or at least the final cave area. We handed out the magic items in the book with one modified sword given to the GWM warrior because it was an old beloved character he was playing with a sword that had a story behind it. Otherwise, we ran core rules. It does no good to hear from players whose DM is giving them powerful flying dragon allies and dragon lances at level 6.</blockquote>

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