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<blockquote data-quote="DaveDash" data-source="post: 6634932" data-attributes="member: 6786202">I was mostly referring to the fact a poster above claimed its &quot;simple&quot; and &quot;easy&quot; to negate concentration, if they were running a Dragon they'd easily do it.The last Dragon fight I ran the PC's used a small L shape cave as cover, while they buffed the Paladin to go out and do battle. The Abjurer came out as well - he doesn't lose concentration much due to Arcane Ward. I couldn't really go into the cave because I could become Dragon mince meat very quickly, losing all the advantages of my mobility. I might have been able to try something like misty step in, grapple the Bard who was maintaining concentration on fly (although Bards + grappling = not guaranteed success for a Dragon), then got the hell out of dodge, but I would have taken a ton of damage doing it.Regarding the Bigby's thing:In play testing high CR Dragons we could just kill them with Sharpshooter + Bless so never worried about Bigby's Hand. We just used high level magic missiles against them to finish them off quicker. Like you said in other posts, you need to shut them down very quickly, you don't have rounds to sit around attempting to grapple or move with telekinesis. In game though I use spell casting Dragons, so I'll counter-spell it or misty step out of a Bigbys, so my Wizard player doesn't bother using that spell to grapple. He's gotten great mileage out of it though in non-Dragon fights. He won an encounter using Bigby's by throwing a dozen Drow off a cliff face from far away, using his familiar as his eyes, while he stayed nice and safe behind full cover.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveDash, post: 6634932, member: 6786202"] I was mostly referring to the fact a poster above claimed its "simple" and "easy" to negate concentration, if they were running a Dragon they'd easily do it. The last Dragon fight I ran the PC's used a small L shape cave as cover, while they buffed the Paladin to go out and do battle. The Abjurer came out as well - he doesn't lose concentration much due to Arcane Ward. I couldn't really go into the cave because I could become Dragon mince meat very quickly, losing all the advantages of my mobility. I might have been able to try something like misty step in, grapple the Bard who was maintaining concentration on fly (although Bards + grappling = not guaranteed success for a Dragon), then got the hell out of dodge, but I would have taken a ton of damage doing it. Regarding the Bigby's thing: In play testing high CR Dragons we could just kill them with Sharpshooter + Bless so never worried about Bigby's Hand. We just used high level magic missiles against them to finish them off quicker. Like you said in other posts, you need to shut them down very quickly, you don't have rounds to sit around attempting to grapple or move with telekinesis. In game though I use spell casting Dragons, so I'll counter-spell it or misty step out of a Bigbys, so my Wizard player doesn't bother using that spell to grapple. He's gotten great mileage out of it though in non-Dragon fights. He won an encounter using Bigby's by throwing a dozen Drow off a cliff face from far away, using his familiar as his eyes, while he stayed nice and safe behind full cover. [/QUOTE]

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