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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6635681" data-attributes="member: 5834">Yep.Cleric player is bad at playing clerics. He didn't have much up at all. He's always been bad at playing clerics. We try not to let him play clerics any longer. at least I do. See above. When I play a cleric, I use the spells recommended. Clerics are extremely powerful. If had been better, it would have helped immensely.Wish we had a better cleric player because this sounds great.Bard's concentration slot was spent on bless. Yes, that's how bad our cleric was. He was a healbot played as an extra because no one wanted to play a cleric. The player that plays clerics badly didn't pay much attention to optimizing him. Now that I'm playing a cleric, I'm finding out all these nifty tricks.Yep. Pretty much what I did. Though he did make a few of those saves because of random luck. At 8th level my save was 15. Even with +3 or 5 that is a roughly 40 to 50% success rate.Yep.Ah. This post. I didn't respond to this post because we did pretty much what you posted sans effective cleric play. People were claiming our tactics were bad and we had a lot of other options than casting fly. If you have been following the conversations, I'm responding to folks that want to tell me that our tactics weren't necessary. You didn't do that. You stated tactics we used. Sorry for not responding. But you pretty much listed our tactics other than the cleric stuff.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6635681, member: 5834"] Yep. Cleric player is bad at playing clerics. He didn't have much up at all. He's always been bad at playing clerics. We try not to let him play clerics any longer. at least I do. See above. When I play a cleric, I use the spells recommended. Clerics are extremely powerful. If had been better, it would have helped immensely. Wish we had a better cleric player because this sounds great. Bard's concentration slot was spent on [I]bless[/I]. Yes, that's how bad our cleric was. He was a healbot played as an extra because no one wanted to play a cleric. The player that plays clerics badly didn't pay much attention to optimizing him. Now that I'm playing a cleric, I'm finding out all these nifty tricks. Yep. Pretty much what I did. Though he did make a few of those saves because of random luck. At 8th level my save was 15. Even with +3 or 5 that is a roughly 40 to 50% success rate. Yep. Ah. This post. I didn't respond to this post because we did pretty much what you posted sans effective cleric play. People were claiming our tactics were bad and we had a lot of other options than casting [I]fly[/I]. If you have been following the conversations, I'm responding to folks that want to tell me that our tactics weren't necessary. You didn't do that. You stated tactics we used. Sorry for not responding. But you pretty much listed our tactics other than the cleric stuff. [/QUOTE]

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