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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6767347" data-attributes="member: 15700">Is that what you took from my comment?&nbsp; Dude, I AM a game designer, so I very much do care about and understand the importance of game design from a mechanical context.&nbsp; The point you're missing is that you seem to be arguing that people are forced into doing something they don't want because option X is mechanically inferior in some way (either due to lower frequency of being needed or just plain a lower modifier) to option Y.&nbsp; I'm here to tell you that not I, nor anyone I game with, feel forced or coerced by a rule to play a character in a different way than what we want to.&nbsp; We are not slaves to the highest maximized PC.&nbsp;&nbsp; If anyone I know wants to play an intelligent fighter, we do so, because it's the most fun to role play, and that extra +1 we might be missing somewhere else isn't missed at all.&nbsp; Also, just so you know, I have played 1e nonstop from 1981 to 2012 when 5e playtest came out, so I'm more than familiar with how Charisma worked then.&nbsp; Judging by your statement, it seems clear that you never actually played 1e.&nbsp; Charisma did have a mechanic tied to it.&nbsp; A very important one.&nbsp; Reaction and hireling loyalty.&nbsp; If you think Charisma was a dump stat that had no impact, then you missed half of what AD&amp;D was about.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6767347, member: 15700"] Is that what you took from my comment? Dude, I AM a game designer, so I very much do care about and understand the importance of game design from a mechanical context. The point you're missing is that you seem to be arguing that people are forced into doing something they don't want because option X is mechanically inferior in some way (either due to lower frequency of being needed or just plain a lower modifier) to option Y. I'm here to tell you that not I, nor anyone I game with, feel forced or coerced by a rule to play a character in a different way than what we want to. We are not slaves to the highest maximized PC. If anyone I know wants to play an intelligent fighter, we do so, because it's the most fun to role play, and that extra +1 we might be missing somewhere else isn't missed at all. Also, just so you know, I have played 1e nonstop from 1981 to 2012 when 5e playtest came out, so I'm more than familiar with how Charisma worked then. Judging by your statement, it seems clear that you never actually played 1e. Charisma did have a mechanic tied to it. A very important one. Reaction and hireling loyalty. If you think Charisma was a dump stat that had no impact, then you missed half of what AD&D was about. [/QUOTE]

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