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<blockquote data-quote="Mondobone" data-source="post: 6767397" data-attributes="member: 6805319">I don't think anyone is arguing that they're being forced to so something they don't enjoy because the mechanics are inferior.&nbsp; I mean, my group of nearly entirely 8 int characters is not a group that doesn't enjoy roleplaying.&nbsp; We're all roleplaying our characters, we realize that we're not exactly brilliant and we act based on that information.We also, though, try to play our characters in a manner we deem effective.&nbsp; Because if we're just roleplaying everything it isn't really a game, and we enjoy games.&nbsp; We enjoy challenges being placed before us and we enjoy trying to overcome those challenges.&nbsp; Building an effective characters combined with an effective party is part of that challenge.&nbsp; And even then, we aren't powergamers.&nbsp; Our barbarian didn't take a level of bard for any reason other than she wanted to play a drum.&nbsp; I know that a lot of my personal character creation choices are driven more by what my character would realistically have rather than what's mechanically most relevant.But there comes a time where you do have to assign scores to your character.&nbsp; You have limited resources and they need to be divided.&nbsp; And when it comes down to asking &quot;Well, how strong would my character be?&nbsp; Is he especially charismatic?&nbsp; Can he dodge arrows and roll through danger?&quot;&nbsp; There's no real mechanical incentive or inspiration in most cases to say anything other than &quot;His intelligence is probably only average.&quot;&nbsp; Not bothering to raise your int above the base 8 isn't a failure in roleplaying, it's a part of roleplaying inspired by a lack of mechanical relevance to intelligence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mondobone, post: 6767397, member: 6805319"] I don't think anyone is arguing that they're being forced to so something they don't enjoy because the mechanics are inferior. I mean, my group of nearly entirely 8 int characters is not a group that doesn't enjoy roleplaying. We're all roleplaying our characters, we realize that we're not exactly brilliant and we act based on that information. We also, though, try to play our characters in a manner we deem effective. Because if we're just roleplaying everything it isn't really a game, and we enjoy games. We enjoy challenges being placed before us and we enjoy trying to overcome those challenges. Building an effective characters combined with an effective party is part of that challenge. And even then, we aren't powergamers. Our barbarian didn't take a level of bard for any reason other than she wanted to play a drum. I know that a lot of my personal character creation choices are driven more by what my character would realistically have rather than what's mechanically most relevant. But there comes a time where you do have to assign scores to your character. You have limited resources and they need to be divided. And when it comes down to asking "Well, how strong would my character be? Is he especially charismatic? Can he dodge arrows and roll through danger?" There's no real mechanical incentive or inspiration in most cases to say anything other than "His intelligence is probably only average." Not bothering to raise your int above the base 8 isn't a failure in roleplaying, it's a part of roleplaying inspired by a lack of mechanical relevance to intelligence. [/QUOTE]

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