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<blockquote data-quote="rollingForInit" data-source="post: 6767506" data-attributes="member: 6793360">The first two are covered completely by the rules and the mechanics of the game. HP is determined by Con, damage is determined by Str (or Dex). The third is not covered at all. I'd totally let a person play an 8 Cha character that's super beautiful (whatever counts as beauty in the setting). Appearance and Charisma are not the same thing. You can be really ugly and have 20 charisma, or really hot and have 8. Charisma is more about having a force of personality. A person can be very nice and charming without actually being successful at convincing someone of something. Even people who aren't typically very persuasive can have moments when they are, and if a player gets on a really great role-playing streak in that regard, then I don't see why not. I might still have the player actually roll for the results (if the person had 20 Charisma, I might not require it at all), and if the roll fails the NPC could still have a really good impression of the PC, but just not be convinced. If a player goes overboard and plays the Charisma 8 character as always being persuasive and charismatic, then I might suggest that the player play characters that actually is, stat-wise. But having 8 Charisma doesn't mean you're a troll or a social pariah. And 8 is typically what people dump stats to, since you can't go lower with points buy or the standard array. Sure if we get down to stats 5 and below, we end up with something very different.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rollingForInit, post: 6767506, member: 6793360"] The first two are covered completely by the rules and the mechanics of the game. HP is determined by Con, damage is determined by Str (or Dex). The third is not covered at all. I'd totally let a person play an 8 Cha character that's super beautiful (whatever counts as beauty in the setting). Appearance and Charisma are not the same thing. You can be really ugly and have 20 charisma, or really hot and have 8. Charisma is more about having a force of personality. A person can be very nice and charming without actually being successful at convincing someone of something. Even people who aren't typically very persuasive can have moments when they are, and if a player gets on a really great role-playing streak in that regard, then I don't see why not. I might still have the player actually roll for the results (if the person had 20 Charisma, I might not require it at all), and if the roll fails the NPC could still have a really good impression of the PC, but just not be convinced. If a player goes overboard and plays the Charisma 8 character as always being persuasive and charismatic, then I might suggest that the player play characters that actually is, stat-wise. But having 8 Charisma doesn't mean you're a troll or a social pariah. And 8 is typically what people dump stats to, since you can't go lower with points buy or the standard array. Sure if we get down to stats 5 and below, we end up with something very different. [/QUOTE]

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