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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6391693" data-attributes="member: 48965">I'll just leave this at you have your opinion and I have mine... The Manticore in 4e  has a claw attack, spike attack and multi-attack... and can shift between attacks.  The 5e manticore has a claw attack, a ranged attack and a multi-attack, and can already move between attacks because of 5e's rules.. it can do everything the 4e one can with less verbage.The Bone Devil of 5e has Telepathy, Devil's Sight, Magic Resistance, immunity to non-silvered weapons, a sting which uses poison, multi-attack and has the option of attacking and grappling with the hooked polearm. The 4e Bone Devil can attack  with claws, poison sting, multi-attack, has an aura of fear, impose -5 to hit as a minor action and an aura of obedience...Again not seeing a big difference in number of interesting abilities...Wait so you're comparing a MM 3 monster (after years of development experience) with the base cambion of 5e... come on now let's compare like and like... Cambion Hellsword from MM1 to the Cambion in 5e's MM1... 4e: Hellsword, Whirlwind Charge and Triumphant Surge5e: innate spellcasting, fiendish charm, multi-attack, fire ray, and spear.5e seems like a way more intersting monster to run.The Umber Hulk in 4e has one interesting attack... it's gaze. And the bulette in 4e is about the only one I see where it has more interesting options (and is more complicated) than the 5e version and that's only by a small margin.What does this matter?  If an ability that makes the creature interesting and fun to run exists why does it matter if it's a spell... see this rings of "It's not 4e"... as opposed to "the monster is boring".So PC's trying to avert their gaze in the case of the Umber Hulk... or find something reflective to view him in, or... well you get the picture isn't interacting?  Making sure you don't clump too many in your party together but also trying to work together so the bulette in 5e can't use deadly leap isn't interacting?  I guess we just have very different ideas of what interacting with something is then.</blockquote>

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