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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 6763245" data-attributes="member: 1465">Agree until this point. I think the PHB Ranger base class is already great and well balanced with the others, and so is the Hunter subclass. As for the Beastmaster, I will not judge it until I see one in play, and I point out that most of those who criticize it haven't actually seen one in play (they think it sucks so they don't play, and then say that nobody playing it is the proof it sucks).But as I mentioned already way too many times, there is no solution to the pet design problem, exactly because they insist for it to be part of the Ranger's &quot;power budget&quot;. So it's either always on the weak side (compared to what pet-lovers want) or otherwise the whole Ranger+pet is too strong, or (where we're heading now in the next iteration) the Ranger minus the pet is too weak -&gt; expect that the main criticism on the next iteration will either be from other players saying that now the Ranger+pet dominate the game OR it will be from Ranger's player saying &quot;but the DM isn't letting my pet come into the city/dungeon/castle, and now my Ranger cannot do anything!&quot;The only way to solve the problem is to think out of the box: the pet must not be part of the Ranger's power budget!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 6763245, member: 1465"] Agree until this point. I think the PHB Ranger base class is already great and well balanced with the others, and so is the Hunter subclass. As for the Beastmaster, I will not judge it until I see one in play, and I point out that most of those who criticize it haven't actually seen one in play (they think it sucks so they don't play, and then say that nobody playing it is the proof it sucks). But as I mentioned already way too many times, there is no solution to the pet design problem, exactly because they insist for it to be part of the Ranger's "power budget". So it's either always on the weak side (compared to what pet-lovers want) or otherwise the whole Ranger+pet is too strong, or (where we're heading now in the next iteration) the Ranger [I]minus[/I] the pet is too weak -> expect that the main criticism on the next iteration will either be from other players saying that now the Ranger+pet dominate the game OR it will be from Ranger's player saying "but the DM isn't letting my pet come into the city/dungeon/castle, and now my Ranger cannot do anything!" The only way to solve the problem is to think out of the box: the pet must [I]not[/I] be part of the Ranger's power budget! [/QUOTE]

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