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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6763353" data-attributes="member: 15700">This is not true.&nbsp; Druids have always had decent combat fighting ability without the use of spells or wildshape.&nbsp; Medium armor and decent weapons and hit dice made them pretty effective.&nbsp; Every action most assuredly was *not* turn into a bear or cast a spell.&nbsp; Also, in modern rangers (with access to spells early), rangers use magic for the same reasons all other casters do, and it's not because nonmagical methods stopped working.&nbsp; Hunter's mark is used all the time, which is no different than most other buffing spells.&nbsp; A ranger doesn't use cure wounds only because nonmagical means stopped working, they use that spell in the same way and manner a cleric or druid does.&nbsp; All spells, whether a ranger, druid, or wizard, are resources the PC uses in the same manner.&nbsp; I.e., &quot;I have a situation, what is the best option that I have to address that situation.&quot;For example, if a ranger needed healing that a healing kit (non magical) or a cure wounds spell both fixed, they wouldn't use up their healing kit resources that don't recharge when their cure wounds ability recharges after every long rest without any other expenditure of mundane resources.&nbsp; Seems like you have it backwards.&nbsp; They will use nonmagical methods only when magical methods stop working (run out of spells for the day and need more)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 6763353, member: 15700"] This is not true. Druids have always had decent combat fighting ability without the use of spells or wildshape. Medium armor and decent weapons and hit dice made them pretty effective. Every action most assuredly was *not* turn into a bear or cast a spell. Also, in modern rangers (with access to spells early), rangers use magic for the same reasons all other casters do, and it's not because nonmagical methods stopped working. Hunter's mark is used all the time, which is no different than most other buffing spells. A ranger doesn't use cure wounds only because nonmagical means stopped working, they use that spell in the same way and manner a cleric or druid does. All spells, whether a ranger, druid, or wizard, are resources the PC uses in the same manner. I.e., "I have a situation, what is the best option that I have to address that situation." For example, if a ranger needed healing that a healing kit (non magical) or a cure wounds spell both fixed, they wouldn't use up their healing kit resources that don't recharge when their cure wounds ability recharges after every long rest without any other expenditure of mundane resources. Seems like you have it backwards. They will use nonmagical methods only when magical methods stop working (run out of spells for the day and need more) [/QUOTE]

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