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<blockquote data-quote="Onslaught" data-source="post: 6764753" data-attributes="member: 61011">I don't have enough time to quote everyone, but I hope these well help me to make my point:&quot;We&quot;, as players, D&amp;D and Ranger fans can't agree with neither WHAT nor HOW Rangers class features should be built. There's no way to make everyone happy. And I dare to say it's quite hard to make most of us happy (like Bard and Fighter execution - I guess those makes most people happy from what opinions I've read elsewhere). But here's why I think WotC did a good job, conceptually, even though there are (lots of) space for improvement:I think most (if not all) these archetypes are in the PHB Ranger somehow... except for the fact that the Pet is exclusive to the Beastmaster, all those archetypes are in the core ranger (without archetypes). However, I think &quot;Pathfinder&quot; should be embbebed in every Ranger. It is in the PHB ranger in the form of skills, abilities and... spellcasting.Aaanndd we probably will enter in the loop: spellcasting or no spellcasting. However, what is the major problem with spells: the druid-lite problem, the &quot;magic&quot; factor? Changing the spell list wouldnt fix that?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Onslaught, post: 6764753, member: 61011"] I don't have enough time to quote everyone, but I hope these well help me to make my point: "We", as players, D&D and Ranger fans can't agree with neither WHAT nor HOW Rangers class features should be built. There's no way to make everyone happy. And I dare to say it's quite hard to make most of us happy (like Bard and Fighter execution - I guess those makes most people happy from what opinions I've read elsewhere). But here's why I think WotC did a good job, conceptually, even though there are (lots of) space for improvement: I think most (if not all) these archetypes are in the PHB Ranger somehow... except for the fact that the Pet is exclusive to the Beastmaster, all those archetypes are in the core ranger (without archetypes). However, I think "Pathfinder" should be embbebed in every Ranger. It is in the PHB ranger in the form of skills, abilities and... spellcasting. Aaanndd we probably will enter in the loop: spellcasting or no spellcasting. However, what is the major problem with spells: the druid-lite problem, the "magic" factor? Changing the spell list wouldnt fix that? [/QUOTE]

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