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<blockquote data-quote="TheLoneRanger1979" data-source="post: 6766191" data-attributes="member: 6804148">1. I don't think most of us that call for a non casting ranger do it because we think the casting (current) variant is &quot;mechanically unviable&quot; or badly under powered. We simply want non magical alternatives to rangers, that don't rely on pets and animal companions. Call it a flavor change with mechanical repercussions (as it would change the way the class is played);2. The goal of 2d6 VS 1d10 is not a dramatic increase in total HP, the goal is dramatic increase in self sustenance as a result of increased self-healing potential during short rests. The minor increase in HP is just a secondary differentiation if that at all. BTW, it's good that you mentioned the constitution factor. In the elder times, it was constitution that was one of the defining class stats for a ranger, while right now, the basic PHB version even discourages you from investing in it. There aren't really any requirements or features bound to it as it is.3. Do note, we aren't looking for &quot;suspension&quot; of the casting ranger as a class. We just call for moving it into a variant or subclass and adding a non casting variant to be made available.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheLoneRanger1979, post: 6766191, member: 6804148"] 1. I don't think most of us that call for a non casting ranger do it because we think the casting (current) variant is "mechanically unviable" or badly under powered. We simply want non magical alternatives to rangers, that don't rely on pets and animal companions. Call it a flavor change with mechanical repercussions (as it would change the way the class is played); 2. The goal of 2d6 VS 1d10 is not a dramatic increase in total HP, the goal is dramatic increase in self sustenance as a result of increased self-healing potential during short rests. The minor increase in HP is just a secondary differentiation if that at all. BTW, it's good that you mentioned the constitution factor. In the elder times, it was constitution that was one of the defining class stats for a ranger, while right now, the basic PHB version even discourages you from investing in it. There aren't really any requirements or features bound to it as it is. 3. Do note, we aren't looking for "suspension" of the casting ranger as a class. We just call for moving it into a variant or subclass and adding a non casting variant to be made available. [/QUOTE]

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