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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 6766198" data-attributes="member: 63508">The real weakness on rangers compared to fighters in 1e was that <ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They got less XP</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They got extra attacks 1 level later</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">After level 5, fighters would usually average more HP (27(6d8) vs 27 (5d10))</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They could have back up magic items</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They got followers instead of a freehold/stronghold</li>
</ul>The advantages were:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They have tracking exclusively</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They were better on surprises</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They massacred any giant-type monster (basically any nondemihuman, nonfey, nonaberration, nonelemental biped)</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They got druid and magic user magic</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">They could use &quot;divination&quot; items</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">*They could use healing scrolls (depending on which rules you use)</li>
</ul>Now if the players where equally lucky, the fighter would have higher stregnth and constitution whereas the ranger just meets all the stat prereqs.The ranger is still a strong warrior at higher levels. The fighter just surpasses them eventually as a warrior whereas the ranger gains more magic to meet the greater foes.This is funny as in 3e, fighters start strong and get passed by the other warriors. The ranger starts weak and get strong through levels and becomes useful indoors and outdoor as a sturdy wand and scroll user who can stealth.Then it gets to 5e. The 1st level of the ranger is all flavor and skills, the power takes 4 or 5 levels to get in, then it becomes a utility power with good on-demand combat &quot;sustain&quot;. Whereas the fighter just grows and grows as face wreckers from 1st to 20th wrecking faces.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 6766198, member: 63508"] The real weakness on rangers compared to fighters in 1e was that [LIST] [*]They got less XP [*]They got extra attacks 1 level later [*]After level 5, fighters would usually average more HP (27(6d8) vs 27 (5d10)) [*]They could have back up magic items [*]They got followers instead of a freehold/stronghold [/LIST] The advantages were: [LIST] [*]They have tracking exclusively [*]They were better on surprises [*]They massacred any giant-type monster (basically any nondemihuman, nonfey, nonaberration, nonelemental biped) [*]They got druid and magic user magic [*]They could use "divination" items [*]*They could use healing scrolls (depending on which rules you use) [/LIST] Now if the players where equally lucky, the fighter would have higher stregnth and constitution whereas the ranger just meets all the stat prereqs. The ranger is still a strong warrior at higher levels. The fighter just surpasses them eventually as a warrior whereas the ranger gains more magic to meet the greater foes. This is funny as in 3e, fighters start strong and get passed by the other warriors. The ranger starts weak and get strong through levels and becomes useful indoors and outdoor as a sturdy wand and scroll user who can stealth. Then it gets to 5e. The 1st level of the ranger is all flavor and skills, the power takes 4 or 5 levels to get in, then it becomes a utility power with good on-demand combat "sustain". Whereas the fighter just grows and grows as face wreckers from 1st to 20th wrecking faces. [/QUOTE]

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