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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8770457" data-attributes="member: 53980"><p>I've played a barbarian in both those kinds of campaigns too. In a campaign with 6-8 encounters the low-level barbarian is extremely lack luster. Sure, it makes a difference comparing the barbarian from the one campaign to the barbarian from the other. It just doesn't unbalance them wrt the other classes. No one in the campaign with fewer encounters was saying, "wow, your barbarian is too OP". And that campaign was a majority of martial characters.</p><p></p><p>I feel like you're white rooming a little. </p><p></p><p>Sure, if there had been a second wave those spells would have been very useful. Of course, a second wave in this case would almost certainly have TPK'D us. It was a clear one encounter day (well, technically two since there was an easy monster that transformed into the zombie ogres on death) so it would have been perfectly sensible for me to nova. Given concentration though, it made a lot more sense for me to Dodge every round once I got my setup going.</p><p></p><p>You don't necessarily know at the start of an encounter that reinforcements are coming. If you do, sure, casting a spell like spiritual guardians is a great idea. OTOH, if you cast it and it turns out to be a 2 round easy fight with no reinforcements, you've just wasted your elephant round swatting a fly. If you wait a few rounds to see whether reinforcements arrive, then you've wasted a large chunk of the spell's value.</p><p></p><p>Finally, no, Hypnotic Pattern is not providing you any more value when the second wave arrives. It CC'd whatever enemies it did from the first wave, and that doesn't change when the second wave arrives. It provides no more value than if you used it in two separate encounters. It has no capacity to hypnotize the second wave, and for you to even attempt hypnotizing the second wave you need to release concentration on the first. Furthermore, if the second wave disrupts your concentration and the first wave is released from the spell, you're getting less value from the spell than if you'd used it in two separate encounters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 8770457, member: 53980"] I've played a barbarian in both those kinds of campaigns too. In a campaign with 6-8 encounters the low-level barbarian is extremely lack luster. Sure, it makes a difference comparing the barbarian from the one campaign to the barbarian from the other. It just doesn't unbalance them wrt the other classes. No one in the campaign with fewer encounters was saying, "wow, your barbarian is too OP". And that campaign was a majority of martial characters. I feel like you're white rooming a little. Sure, if there had been a second wave those spells would have been very useful. Of course, a second wave in this case would almost certainly have TPK'D us. It was a clear one encounter day (well, technically two since there was an easy monster that transformed into the zombie ogres on death) so it would have been perfectly sensible for me to nova. Given concentration though, it made a lot more sense for me to Dodge every round once I got my setup going. You don't necessarily know at the start of an encounter that reinforcements are coming. If you do, sure, casting a spell like spiritual guardians is a great idea. OTOH, if you cast it and it turns out to be a 2 round easy fight with no reinforcements, you've just wasted your elephant round swatting a fly. If you wait a few rounds to see whether reinforcements arrive, then you've wasted a large chunk of the spell's value. Finally, no, Hypnotic Pattern is not providing you any more value when the second wave arrives. It CC'd whatever enemies it did from the first wave, and that doesn't change when the second wave arrives. It provides no more value than if you used it in two separate encounters. It has no capacity to hypnotize the second wave, and for you to even attempt hypnotizing the second wave you need to release concentration on the first. Furthermore, if the second wave disrupts your concentration and the first wave is released from the spell, you're getting less value from the spell than if you'd used it in two separate encounters. [/QUOTE]
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