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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4625045" data-attributes="member: 317">You might not consider it to be an apples to apples comparison, but thats your opinion, and I'll respect that.  However, you also need to respect the opinions of others, and accept that for many folks, 4e DOES have equal or greater value to 3e.  Thats the funny thing about opinions and beliefs- they're subjective, NOT objective reality.I didn't say 3e doesn't provide the right tools for the job, I said it doesn't supply the right tools for the job I want to do.  That's a big distinction.  3e is a good rules system, and a lot of people like it because it fits their playstyle and preferences- more power to them.  4e is also a good system, and a lot of people like it because it fits their playstyle and preferences- and thats cool too.  Each system has its own strengths and weaknesses- no system is perfect or is objectively superior to the other.  I tried making 3e fit my style, and it just didn't work- and I tried for FIVE YEARS and have a very good understanding of the rules, mathematics, and underlying assumptions of the system.  This isn't "user error", its a preference for certain things- you have them, as do I.  So the BS about me (or others) not being fit to compare or criticize systems based on our system of preferece is completely bogus and highly insulting.I find 4e unfetters my creativity and fuels my imagination that was stifled during the 3e era by rules mastery and system complexity- I can only split my attentional resources so many ways, and I'd prefer to work on plots, encounters, and interesting characters over system mastery.  3e tries to define a rule for every situation, wheras I prefer DM judgement- again, neither way is "the one true way", its just a personal preference.  Obviously, my preferences are different than yours, and thats fine- we're both right.  What I don't understand is the vitriol and condescending comments you make at 4e supporters.  Someone saying they prefer 4e over 3e isn't a personal attack on you, so I'm confused. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /></blockquote>

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