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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9739691" data-attributes="member: 18">I mean, he factually is not. Not even "roughly".That's the issue. He's not even close.He's not in the same ballpark. Your son I'm sure is a cool guy, but can he put on an entire suit of full plate in 5 minutes flat and move in it perfectly? Does he know how to competently and effectively wield every single medieval weapon, and going forwards, is only going to get better with them? It's not just the +2 to hit or w/e, he also needs to know how to load, fire, manuever whilst carrying and so on.Your idea of what a 1st level Fighter is, is just totally incorrect for 3/4/5E. That's the problem. Not that your son isn't a badass, he probably is a badass. Just an L1 Fighter is a very specific and incredibly highly trained person in all WotC editions of D&D. There are no farmers, no farm boys, no Luke Skywalkers, no callow untrained youths, and so on who are Fighters in WotC D&D unless it's just RPing and ignoring rules (which is fine, it's kind of like reskinning but...).EDIT - Hell the same mostly applies to 1E and 2E. Just this whole notion of "farmboy Fighter" is absolutely not D&D. L1 Fighter, even in BECMI is a competent person with significant combat and equipment training. People who RP'd "farmboy Fighters" in older editions were entitled to do so from an RP perspective but mechanically it was nonsense. Maybe there was 2E Fighter kit that stripped you of being able to wear armour competently and only let you take proficiency in stuff like spears and clubs? I suspect there was. That seems like the only time in D&D where you could legit be a "farmboy Fighter" or the like.</blockquote>

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