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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Uni-the-Unicorn!" data-source="post: 9741848" data-attributes="member: 6909860">OK, everyone has opinions and we often exaggerate them for emphasis.  I don't think such comments are intended to be taken literally.That is a strawman. That is not what I was discussing.Consistency is good only if you like the results. Being consistent doesn't make a rule good, it just makes it well written.  An even if a rule is good, that doesn't mean it works for all people and groups.I don't know that to be true and neither do you. I suspect there are fewer people now days who like those levels, but many of the people from my era do like them. I don't have an issue with the game I want to play taking into consideration how I like to play. I can't speak for or know what other people want. I have no data on what other people want. But if I am considering a theoretical 6e, where the question is (form the OP):" What would your preferred hypothetical 6E look like?"I am obviously going to discuss my preferences.See above. I am discussing my preferences as asked to do so in the OP. I have no issue with people starting at level 1 (or any level for that matter).I can't so you are wrong, but I can't say you are correct. It seems the popularity of OSR and Shadowdark might even suggest the trend is heading the novice / 0-hero direction. I have no hard data, and I don't think you do either, but the number of Kickstarters I see for OSR and Shadowdark suggest to me this is a thriving market.Regardless, see above. I am discussing my preferences as asked to do so in the OP. Your opinion on what you think people want to play will not sway me. Your experience is different than mine. That doesn't make yours any more valid than mine.Yes I know you are not talking about actual levels. I think that is a mistake. I think we should be talking about levels (for a D&D game at least).But people actually are doing this. My group has done it (we have started at 1st level, 3rd level, 10th level, and 20th level), official WotC adventures have supported it, games at CONS support it, and people on these forums do it. Your are demonstrable wrong when you say people are not doing it.  I have no idea how popular it is, but your experience is not what I have seen as the norm. That doesn't mean what I experience is the norm either. I can't really discuss an unknowable norm, I can only discuss my preferences.</blockquote>

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