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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7459984" data-attributes="member: 6801845">All I can say is that I was a fan of 4E ... for a while.&nbsp; Then I hit the caster that could lock completely lock down the battlefield, modules that compensated for PC abilities by taking away all their toys/abilities (every monster immune to pretty much everything), etc.&nbsp; I've also done 5E up to 20th now, and while 20th level PCs can be annoying, it's just not to the same level.&nbsp; Unlike 3.5 (or earlier) the game holds up okay even at higher levels, as long as you build taking PC abilities into consideration.As far as the creativity/innovation aspect.&nbsp; Since powers were so distinctly spelled out and we had conditions like &quot;hidden&quot;, I think people eventually just stopped trying to do something outside the boxed text.&nbsp; I know people complain about how critical DM rulings are in 5E, but it seems to make the flow of the game better.But anyway, I don't think it's worth getting into much more edition wars.&nbsp; I'm glad you enjoyed 4E, I just think 5E is a better game for old and new alike.&nbsp; The sales seem to back that up, although there are a great many reasons for the success of the current edition.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7459984, member: 6801845"] All I can say is that I was a fan of 4E ... for a while. Then I hit the caster that could lock completely lock down the battlefield, modules that compensated for PC abilities by taking away all their toys/abilities (every monster immune to pretty much everything), etc. I've also done 5E up to 20th now, and while 20th level PCs can be annoying, it's just not to the same level. Unlike 3.5 (or earlier) the game holds up okay even at higher levels, as long as you build taking PC abilities into consideration. As far as the creativity/innovation aspect. Since powers were so distinctly spelled out and we had conditions like "hidden", I think people eventually just stopped trying to do something outside the boxed text. I know people complain about how critical DM rulings are in 5E, but it seems to make the flow of the game better. But anyway, I don't think it's worth getting into much more edition wars. I'm glad you enjoyed 4E, I just think 5E is a better game for old and new alike. The sales seem to back that up, although there are a great many reasons for the success of the current edition. [/QUOTE]

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