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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7460301" data-attributes="member: 6801845">The mods I was referring to were living campaign specific.&nbsp; But I also had PC wizards shut down combats even after the errata, so not sure what you're talking about.&nbsp; Still somewhat possible in 5E at a high enough level of course.As far as newbies, I've started up a couple of groups now, the newbies don't have a problem with 5E.But I don't know.&nbsp; They were different games.&nbsp; While 4E had it's merits, every character had supernatural abilities that were spelled out in detail which seemed to limit thinking outside the box.&nbsp; Monsters were just a pile of stats with no flavor or description. I remember asking our DM for one of my first games what the monster was and he just shrugged and could give me no description because there was none.&nbsp; By trying to make everyone have similar power levels, everyone became generic.All I can say is that as time went on I saw more and more people that were going to give up on 4E and go on to something else.&nbsp; New people and old just kind of burned out on it after a while with only a small minority remaining enthusiastic until the end.&nbsp; You seem to be one of those minority that stuck with it and there's nothing wrong with that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7460301, member: 6801845"] The mods I was referring to were living campaign specific. But I also had PC wizards shut down combats even after the errata, so not sure what you're talking about. Still somewhat possible in 5E at a high enough level of course. As far as newbies, I've started up a couple of groups now, the newbies don't have a problem with 5E. But I don't know. They were different games. While 4E had it's merits, every character had supernatural abilities that were spelled out in detail which seemed to limit thinking outside the box. Monsters were just a pile of stats with no flavor or description. I remember asking our DM for one of my first games what the monster was and he just shrugged and could give me no description because there was none. By trying to make everyone have similar power levels, everyone became generic. All I can say is that as time went on I saw more and more people that were going to give up on 4E and go on to something else. New people and old just kind of burned out on it after a while with only a small minority remaining enthusiastic until the end. You seem to be one of those minority that stuck with it and there's nothing wrong with that. [/QUOTE]

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