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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7460564" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Your experience is clearly with folks who came to 4e from other editions to prefer. And I'm not surprised by it. 4e was not easy for fans of 3e or earlier eds to wrap their heads around, let alone like. It killed too many sacred cows, it made the game better in two many ways that undercut existing ways of leveraging the system. </p><p></p><p>IMX, and I have no small amount of it, though, genuinely new players took to it better than any other edition. 5e is not the worst in that regard, but the best ways to bring new players into it are by immersing them in a table of mostly-experienced players, or by outright concealing the system from them as much as possible and bringing them into it by degrees, the very old-school Gygaxian philosophy of the DM always needing to have greater mastery of the rules to maintain an air of mystery. It works on a small minority of new players, but it works /really/ well. Almost like indocrinating them into a grognard religion. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p> Oh, I don't disagree that 4e lost the edition war in a big way (though 3e didn't exactly win the way it's adherents had hoped, either). 5e shows a clear adherence to the most traditionalist of the edition warriors' agendas - and it happend to work well enough in the current come-back market.</p><p></p><p>But, if you really are tired of it, why keep attacking the dead edition? 4e's no threat to you, anymore. There's no need to keep warring against it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7460564, member: 996"] Your experience is clearly with folks who came to 4e from other editions to prefer. And I'm not surprised by it. 4e was not easy for fans of 3e or earlier eds to wrap their heads around, let alone like. It killed too many sacred cows, it made the game better in two many ways that undercut existing ways of leveraging the system. IMX, and I have no small amount of it, though, genuinely new players took to it better than any other edition. 5e is not the worst in that regard, but the best ways to bring new players into it are by immersing them in a table of mostly-experienced players, or by outright concealing the system from them as much as possible and bringing them into it by degrees, the very old-school Gygaxian philosophy of the DM always needing to have greater mastery of the rules to maintain an air of mystery. It works on a small minority of new players, but it works /really/ well. Almost like indocrinating them into a grognard religion. ;) Oh, I don't disagree that 4e lost the edition war in a big way (though 3e didn't exactly win the way it's adherents had hoped, either). 5e shows a clear adherence to the most traditionalist of the edition warriors' agendas - and it happend to work well enough in the current come-back market. But, if you really are tired of it, why keep attacking the dead edition? 4e's no threat to you, anymore. There's no need to keep warring against it. [/QUOTE]
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