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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7460733" data-attributes="member: 6801845">If you primarily played/DMed level 4 or less you would have a different perspective than I do.&nbsp; I'm concerned about long term retention, not just intro levels.&nbsp; However, I also haven't seen issues with new people learning 5E whether there are people to help them or not.&nbsp; I've introduced several newbies now and they had no problems picking up the game.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's certainly a lower bar than 3.5.You saw that aspect of 4E in a more positive light than I did.&nbsp; In my experience having detailed powers with no common foundation made things more difficult, both as a player and a DM.&nbsp; I don't know how many times we had to stop the game and pause for a few minutes while the DM read through the power trying to understand what it did.&nbsp; Complexity, even if well explained, can still be detrimental to a game.If you consider a game who's turns can take an hour or more (I think our record was an hour and a half) at higher levels to be &quot;smooth&quot; all I can say is that we have a different definition for that word.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7460733, member: 6801845"] If you primarily played/DMed level 4 or less you would have a different perspective than I do. I'm concerned about long term retention, not just intro levels. However, I also haven't seen issues with new people learning 5E whether there are people to help them or not. I've introduced several newbies now and they had no problems picking up the game. It's certainly a lower bar than 3.5. You saw that aspect of 4E in a more positive light than I did. In my experience having detailed powers with no common foundation made things more difficult, both as a player and a DM. I don't know how many times we had to stop the game and pause for a few minutes while the DM read through the power trying to understand what it did. Complexity, even if well explained, can still be detrimental to a game. If you consider a game who's turns can take an hour or more (I think our record was an hour and a half) at higher levels to be "smooth" all I can say is that we have a different definition for that word. [/QUOTE]

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