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7 to 8 pc's of 16th Lvl Avg.; Opinions on what CR Red dragon to throw at the group
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<blockquote data-quote="warhookdm" data-source="post: 469532" data-attributes="member: 4252"><p>Speaking as a DM which has already thrown 3 dragons at a party of fairly high level (8 PC's with avg. level of 14) at diferent points (and am building them toward a fourth), remember a couple things: 1) if the dragon can't fly, he is severely limited, and dragons don't have good manueverability. I would either change the dimensions of the room somewhat, or make sure the dragon has Globe of Invulnerability, Cat's Grace, Endurance, and Bull's Strength up. Then add in Shield, and Haste for an add'l +11 to AC. And I would probably go with a Very Old or Ancient Red, no template.</p><p> 2) If you set-up the dragon with unlimited room (outside) unless he is a Young Adult or less, you can cause a TPK with smart moves. The dragon just stays out of melee range until he's dropped most of the PC's with breath weapon attacks, and magic missile spells, etc.</p><p> 3) Spell Resistance of big reds effectively render them nearly invulnerable to spell attacks. I nearly caused a TPK with a 16th level Drow Cleric (SR 27). He took out 4 of 8 PC's and had the rest at 25 - 50 % of HP, depleted of spells, etc. The PC party had an average level of 14. The BBEG NPC's consisted of 2 L12 fighter types, a L15 Sorcerer, and the aforementioned Drow. The battle lasted about 20 rounds, and took several hours to resolve.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="warhookdm, post: 469532, member: 4252"] Speaking as a DM which has already thrown 3 dragons at a party of fairly high level (8 PC's with avg. level of 14) at diferent points (and am building them toward a fourth), remember a couple things: 1) if the dragon can't fly, he is severely limited, and dragons don't have good manueverability. I would either change the dimensions of the room somewhat, or make sure the dragon has Globe of Invulnerability, Cat's Grace, Endurance, and Bull's Strength up. Then add in Shield, and Haste for an add'l +11 to AC. And I would probably go with a Very Old or Ancient Red, no template. 2) If you set-up the dragon with unlimited room (outside) unless he is a Young Adult or less, you can cause a TPK with smart moves. The dragon just stays out of melee range until he's dropped most of the PC's with breath weapon attacks, and magic missile spells, etc. 3) Spell Resistance of big reds effectively render them nearly invulnerable to spell attacks. I nearly caused a TPK with a 16th level Drow Cleric (SR 27). He took out 4 of 8 PC's and had the rest at 25 - 50 % of HP, depleted of spells, etc. The PC party had an average level of 14. The BBEG NPC's consisted of 2 L12 fighter types, a L15 Sorcerer, and the aforementioned Drow. The battle lasted about 20 rounds, and took several hours to resolve. [/QUOTE]
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