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<blockquote data-quote="Doc_Klueless" data-source="post: 7663593" data-attributes="member: 261"><p>My comment was entirely aimed at his assertion that he spoke about what gamers in general wanted from WotC. I'll concede that it was poorly worded to carry that intention. My point is that HIS statement that gamers want X and MY statement that gamers (as in me and my circle of gaming friends and acquaintances) want Y pretty much are at odds with each other. I don't think he has any proof one way or the other and that he's just projecting his needs, wants and desires on the greater population because it's what <em>he </em>wants, needs and desires.</p><p></p><p>I've no doubt that some gamers want what he wants. We just have no way of knowing the percentage of gamers that feel that way and if that percentage is enough to have a meaningful impact on business practices.</p><p></p><p>Which will bring someone traipsing in spouting about the polls in some of the other threads to which I say that anyone who has even remotely studied statistics, samples, sample sizes, sample selection, etc., will see that all those polls are so much hot air and have actually no real statistical significance.</p><p></p><p><em>We</em> don't know what gamers in general want. We know what we want and what a very small sample of a self-selecting population who answered a pole want. It's in no way a proven indication of the wants of the larger population of gamers and would be pure folly to use to guide business decisions.</p><p></p><p>Which brings in someone saying that "Paizo does it this way and they're successful!" Great. I like Paizo. They have a business model that matches their goals. Now show me that the goals of Paizo and the goals of WotC are the same and you'll have an argument. Simply saying that both of them wish to be successful and earn a profit is not enough. How much of a profit? From what? The game or the brand or what? Successful at what? There's a lot of information that's missing from the arguments either way.</p><p></p><p>In short, don't think to speak for me and other gamers when you're spouting off about how WotC is ignoring the wants of gamers in general because you. just. don't. know. and neither do I. Which might be why I'm not attempting to speak for other gamers unlike some people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Doc_Klueless, post: 7663593, member: 261"] My comment was entirely aimed at his assertion that he spoke about what gamers in general wanted from WotC. I'll concede that it was poorly worded to carry that intention. My point is that HIS statement that gamers want X and MY statement that gamers (as in me and my circle of gaming friends and acquaintances) want Y pretty much are at odds with each other. I don't think he has any proof one way or the other and that he's just projecting his needs, wants and desires on the greater population because it's what [I]he [/I]wants, needs and desires. I've no doubt that some gamers want what he wants. We just have no way of knowing the percentage of gamers that feel that way and if that percentage is enough to have a meaningful impact on business practices. Which will bring someone traipsing in spouting about the polls in some of the other threads to which I say that anyone who has even remotely studied statistics, samples, sample sizes, sample selection, etc., will see that all those polls are so much hot air and have actually no real statistical significance. [I]We[/I] don't know what gamers in general want. We know what we want and what a very small sample of a self-selecting population who answered a pole want. It's in no way a proven indication of the wants of the larger population of gamers and would be pure folly to use to guide business decisions. Which brings in someone saying that "Paizo does it this way and they're successful!" Great. I like Paizo. They have a business model that matches their goals. Now show me that the goals of Paizo and the goals of WotC are the same and you'll have an argument. Simply saying that both of them wish to be successful and earn a profit is not enough. How much of a profit? From what? The game or the brand or what? Successful at what? There's a lot of information that's missing from the arguments either way. In short, don't think to speak for me and other gamers when you're spouting off about how WotC is ignoring the wants of gamers in general because you. just. don't. know. and neither do I. Which might be why I'm not attempting to speak for other gamers unlike some people. [/QUOTE]
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