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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7663641" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>"Strawman" is overused in online discussions. Too often it's just used as an excuse to just ignore what someone said (for right or wrong), only while drawing attention to the fact you're ignoring it rather than just not replying or cutting that part out of your reply. I always have to fight not to just ctrl-W when I see "strawman" pop up. But that's my baggage...</p><p></p><p></p><p>You described one hardback a year in the post following the one I was replying to. I hadn't read that yet. </p><p></p><p></p><p>How about, oh, Basic D&D? </p><p>You had levels 1-3 from 1977 to 1981, then 4-14 until '83, 26-36 in '84, and 36+ in 1985. Some revisions in 1991 and that lasted until Basic ended in 2000 with 3e. Two or three rules accessories for 23 years, with only minor revisions to the ruleset. Almost everything released for Basic was either an adventure or related to the world of Mystara. </p><p></p><p>The only accessories I can find are the <em>Creature Catalogue</em>, some character sheets, a couple books of magic items, and a monster book that focused solely on Dragons and Giants. </p><p></p><p></p><p>So it's less a matter of releases, but of announced releases?</p><p></p><p><em>Princes of the Apocalypse</em> isn't even in stores yet! We haven't seen their next product and WotC hasn't begun previews on their website and you want to start speculation on the next?!</p><p>Especially with the fervour over <em>Adventurer's Handbook</em> being cancelled (depite never being officially announced) WotC has every reason to be hesitant to pull the trigger on their GenCon release.</p><p></p><p>Especially since the needing to know what's coming out in five months is information only the smallest segment of the fanbase really cares about. The average play does not care about that. Heck, the average player likely wouldn't even know what <em>Princes of the Apocalypse</em> is. </p><p>I play Pathfinder with some pretty dedicated gamers, and PFS with others, and none of them have any clue about what Paizo is doing five weeks from now, let alone five months. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Six years is nothing. I've purchased new rulebooks books too many times in the fifteen years. 5e was my last. It's simple enough that it'll make a good first RPG for my son (in 6-8 years) but classic enough to be D&D and introduce him to the hobby. If we see 6e in 2021 I'm so done. </p><p></p><p>You asked how long is long term? I think at least a decade is good. If not more. </p><p>If ever, really. I'll happily accept some small revisions (ala the Basic changes or even 4e to Essentials), some reprints with errata and small tweaks. But I don't see why we really *need* a new edition. They got this one right. 1e and 2e were full of warts, 3e had some balance issues, 4e was... divisive. But 5e is just right. I don't think we *need* a new edition so much as a revision or reprinting with minor tweaks. D&D isn't a game console where the tech keeps changing and you need to upgrade. While game design evolves over time, 5e's mix of modern and nostalgia keeps it timeless and its modularity should make it easy to accommodate new innovations in gaming. </p><p>I wonder if people think we'll see a 6e only because we've seen edition changes before so it's accepted. We *think* editions need to change and so we accept 6e as inevitable. </p><p></p><p>But this is likely off topic, or worthy of its own thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7663641, member: 37579"] "Strawman" is overused in online discussions. Too often it's just used as an excuse to just ignore what someone said (for right or wrong), only while drawing attention to the fact you're ignoring it rather than just not replying or cutting that part out of your reply. I always have to fight not to just ctrl-W when I see "strawman" pop up. But that's my baggage... You described one hardback a year in the post following the one I was replying to. I hadn't read that yet. How about, oh, Basic D&D? You had levels 1-3 from 1977 to 1981, then 4-14 until '83, 26-36 in '84, and 36+ in 1985. Some revisions in 1991 and that lasted until Basic ended in 2000 with 3e. Two or three rules accessories for 23 years, with only minor revisions to the ruleset. Almost everything released for Basic was either an adventure or related to the world of Mystara. The only accessories I can find are the [I]Creature Catalogue[/I], some character sheets, a couple books of magic items, and a monster book that focused solely on Dragons and Giants. So it's less a matter of releases, but of announced releases? [I]Princes of the Apocalypse[/I] isn't even in stores yet! We haven't seen their next product and WotC hasn't begun previews on their website and you want to start speculation on the next?! Especially with the fervour over [I]Adventurer's Handbook[/I] being cancelled (depite never being officially announced) WotC has every reason to be hesitant to pull the trigger on their GenCon release. Especially since the needing to know what's coming out in five months is information only the smallest segment of the fanbase really cares about. The average play does not care about that. Heck, the average player likely wouldn't even know what [I]Princes of the Apocalypse[/I] is. I play Pathfinder with some pretty dedicated gamers, and PFS with others, and none of them have any clue about what Paizo is doing five weeks from now, let alone five months. Six years is nothing. I've purchased new rulebooks books too many times in the fifteen years. 5e was my last. It's simple enough that it'll make a good first RPG for my son (in 6-8 years) but classic enough to be D&D and introduce him to the hobby. If we see 6e in 2021 I'm so done. You asked how long is long term? I think at least a decade is good. If not more. If ever, really. I'll happily accept some small revisions (ala the Basic changes or even 4e to Essentials), some reprints with errata and small tweaks. But I don't see why we really *need* a new edition. They got this one right. 1e and 2e were full of warts, 3e had some balance issues, 4e was... divisive. But 5e is just right. I don't think we *need* a new edition so much as a revision or reprinting with minor tweaks. D&D isn't a game console where the tech keeps changing and you need to upgrade. While game design evolves over time, 5e's mix of modern and nostalgia keeps it timeless and its modularity should make it easy to accommodate new innovations in gaming. I wonder if people think we'll see a 6e only because we've seen edition changes before so it's accepted. We *think* editions need to change and so we accept 6e as inevitable. But this is likely off topic, or worthy of its own thread. [/QUOTE]
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